Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

[Phil1]

How was that my point?

Ball was sacked after 3 games of a season, my point was he wasn't just judged on those 3 game. Also pep is being judged on these 5 or 8 games so far.

Because most of your points regarding Pep come down to you not rating him and being stuck in the past.

 

[Danamy]

Having witnessed the end of our last 7 or 8 managers via the prism of Bluemoon I can assure you that nothing has changed ;)

Consistency is key :-)

 

[Phil1]

Having witnessed the end of our last 7 or 8 managers via the prism of Bluemoon I can assure you that nothing has changed ;)

It has that familiar feeling about it. I as ever will fall on the right side of the argument.. Haha!

 

[OB1]

It wasn’t as bad a performance as some are making out. Individuals had appalling games. Sterling and Mahrez being the two stand outs, but overall it was exactly the way I expected it to go because the last couple of months have been very similar.
Slow, pedestrian passes that occasionally lead to a chance that is inevitably squandered.
Everything about us at the moment has a lethargic feel, from defence to attack, and as a spectacle it’s become a bit boring. Controlling the game is all well and good as long as your patience is rewarded every now and then. It’s not happening for us and it can get annoying as fuck.
I’d say we were average as opposed to appalling but average isn’t anywhere near good enough for a team of our quality, even with the injuries we have.

Lot's of opinions about; hard to know who is actually right though about the root of the problem.

I wonder if the players are fatigued not by Pep's tactics - although I'm sure some think he makes too many changes - but by their opponents tactics. It must get wearying facing parked bus after parked bus in a way that no other team seems to have to. And they have that constant fear of getting caught out and conceding first.

They have perhaps got into a kind of vicious cycle that in some ways is not theirs or Pep's fault but which they all have a responsibility to do something about. That's easier said than done when the club has a way it wants to play, the manager epitomises that and the players have been bought to fit that style.

It actually leaves the whole club with some big questions to grapple with; plus a situation made worse by current circumstances.

Although I have defended Rodri on here from some of the unfair assessment that I think he (and others get), it doesn't mean that I think he, for example, is the answer. He isn't Fern but, as wonderful as he could be, he had persistent faults and now I suspect some are building his legend beyond reality. The club though may need to accept that they have to bring someone new in to compete for Rodri's spot (or possibly move Foden there). I'd look closely at Declan Rice in January; especially as he is English and also because I think he could be used at both DM and CB.

I've said umpteen times that I don't think City are ruthless enough when it comes to transfers and they really need to change that.

 

[dadnlad]

We definitely have a number of issues presently with a mounting injury list and problems attacking and breaking teams down. But we are still very early into the season and If we win our game in hand (no guarantees of that I appreciate) then we are only 2 points behind the Dippers.

Heading into the new year if we are 5/6 points off the leaders then I think it is game on and hopefully with a fit squad we can put a winning run together. However, having said all of above we need our injured players to return quickly and I would also look at the possibility of buying a new forward in the January.

im with but trouble is we get them all close to fit and they all bugger off on international duty and the circle starts again

 

[Blue Theatre]

You would think that if Pep had decided to stay, he and City would be keen to announce it, ASP.

So either he genuinely can't decide (seems unlikely), or is waiting for something (eg: see who we sign in Jan),
or else he's decided to leave but doesn't want to disrupt this season by announcing it so early.

Personally, I hope he stays ... he's not perfect but he is pretty darn good - cannot think of anyone in the world who's obviously better.

 

[OB1]

Having witnessed the end of our last 7 or 8 managers via the prism of Bluemoon I can assure you that nothing has changed ;)

That's true but have you?

 

[OB1]

Pep has actually said that he wants to stay but has to deserve it, which is rather reasonable of him as he could sign an extension, not deliver get sacked and get a massive payoff.

The problem is all the muppets in both the media and our fanbase who can't wait and see if he deserves to continue.

The players need to fucking focus on what the manager asks of them in the here and now.

 

[dadnlad]

Having witnessed the end of our last 7 or 8 managers via the prism of Bluemoon I can assure you that nothing has changed ;)

they smell blood and pile on

 

[Roachy]

As you saw at Leeds - even when we try to press the players cannot keep it up for more than 30 mins - two back to back seasons are taking their toll

When will we recover?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

It’s becoming a more accepted opinion now but honestly Pep is done at City, it’s over. There were a few comments in some player interviews last season, one by KDB, where reading between the lines you could tell the feeling of bemusement at Pep’s decisions is firmly rooted within the players too. And once that sets in, times up I’m afraid. I love him, but not so blindly that I can’t see when it’s time for change. Signing a 1 year extension won’t alter our course, it would only extend it.

Sadly I think there is truth in this. For me Pep is a genius but in modern football no manager can maintain the sort of levels we have seen for sustained periods. Teams have got wise to the way we play. Football has always been about evolution and requires constant change. Whatever happens I believe Pep will go down as our greatest ever manager.
I remain optimistic for the future. We have some fantastic young players in all areas and it will be exciting watching Foden, Torres, Laporte, etc develop into world class players. I still think we can win the title this season in a crazy wide open race. I also believe we will find a great replacement when Pep decides to go (probably this summer)

 

[hilts]

We have had these debates many times before and from memory it always ends with the manager leaving. Let’s hope Pep is the exception and can turn around this poor 15 month period.

I wouldn’t get your hopes up though.

 

[Corky]

Because most of your points regarding Pep come down to you not rating him and being stuck in the past.

He clearly is stuck in the past with his 2008 tactics which offer little incision once the league knows what to expect.

He needs to watch how other teams play and adapt or die.

 

[OB1]

Having witnessed the end of our last 7 or 8 managers via the prism of Bluemoon I can assure you that nothing has changed ;)

The difference now though is that with all those previous managers, the possibility of getting an upgrade existed but this time all you can do is get someone different but someone who I am 99.99999999999999999999999999999% confident will be a downgrade.

Pep is the best manager this club has had. The team that won 198 points in two seasons and won every domestic trophy in one season is probably the best we will ever witness as City supporters. It is a team that is not given the full respect it deserves because it didn't win the UCL.

Another manager will hopefully get the UCL monkey off the club's back at some point but they won't manage a domestic quadruple (they can feel free to prove me wrong).

So what's be biggest risk, giving our best ever manager, the guy who also, in my and plenty of other people's opinion, produced the greatest club side in history, some time and cash to create another great side or appoint someone who will not go down in history as one of the greatest sports team managers ever?

I mean, for example, Poch is available and he won's the square root of fuck all so that sounds like a great move to replace Pep with him.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

He clearly is stuck in the past with his 2008 tactics

This is just such a weird cliche and I have no idea where it's come from. Let's not forget that these "2008 tactics" are the ones that helped him win the league in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018 and 2019.

The "Pep's tactics are outdated" argument seems to have only come about since we didn't win the league title last season.

Whatever the reasons for it not working right now, I don't think it's because the rest of the world finally decided after eleven years to move on. Wherever he ends up next, he'll do a terrific job.

 

[trumpton]

At what point does the statement about no pre season cease to be a factor or are we stuck with it all year?

We've played enough surely by now to be fully fit and raring to go!

 

[toffee balls]

He’s defending the poster’s right to an opinion...without having to be aggressive or abusive.

Ok then.
The poster may well be a lovely person with a right to express an opinion.
if that is the case , the post was a Grade A nob of a comment.

 

[blueparrot]

He clearly is stuck in the past with his 2008 tactics which offer little incision once the league knows what to expect.

He needs to watch how other teams play and adapt or die.

The 2008 tactics that broke records and won unprecedented domestic slam just 15 months ago. The tactics many posters think we’ve strayed from as part of the problem. Don’t think we need to look to other teams tactics to copy.
I don’t think not changing tactics are the issue, it’s partly fitness of key players, mainly our 2 strikers at present. If Peps getting anything wrong in my opinion it’s playing Gundogan and Rodri together not sure what he’s seeing there, and would like to see KDB and Bernardo or Foden as the two forward mids.
That said a consistent striker playing the start of this season whether a fit Aguero or fit Jesus some of those missed chances converted we’d probably be on 10 or 12 points with a game in hand.

 

[IcriedwhenTueartleft]

Messi will be coming in January so yes, Pep will extend his contract. Simple.

 

[blueparrot]

At what point does the statement about no pre season cease to be a factor or are we stuck with it all year?

We've played enough surely by now to be fully fit and raring to go!

No pre season isn’t just about fitness it’s about resting then conditioning and tactics. It will be a factor all season because they’ll be playing twice a week all year. Not just for us though.