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As someone who also works in the industry that is a rather simplistic view and not strictly true. It all depends on how you work it out and the accounting is very complex.
No flights means no requirement for new aircraft which means production lines grinding to a halt and overheads not covered by sales.

The problem is a lot of those production lines have been shut already. A big chunk of the business and nearly all of the cash generation has gone. They’re on life support and a chunk of that gets turned off on Friday.
I’m not an employee and I only know a smallish part of their business but I do know the amount of cash paid out on furlough.
 
The problem is a lot of those production lines have been shut already. A big chunk of the business and nearly all of the cash generation has gone. They’re on life support and a chunk of that gets turned off on Friday.
I’m not an employee and I only know a smallish part of their business but I do know the amount of cash paid out on furlough.
You are conflating covid and brexit issues there. I'm not saying they don't compound each other,but just be aware that idiots like me will find this a useful way to excuse the worst effects of brexit - effectively blaming our idiotic choices on the virus.
 
The double whammy of no vets and no aerospace industry will pretty much take the commercial aerospace industry back to the 1930's except with no vets. Many of those currently employed in aerospace are currently also pet owners so it's a double-whammy for the animals. Coupled with lower food standards it looks like the plan is for us to eat our pets in 2021 but no one in govt is prepared to tell us this and the hard brexit types don't seem to care.
I take it kittens are the new lorry parks in your quest to amuse yourself and bore the arse off most of the rest of us.
 
Our Gross National Product measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning. It measures everything except that which makes life worthwhile - Bobby Kennedy, University of Kansas , 1968


I don't recall ever hearing that but it is brilliant. I heard a pithy one the other day, "the best things in life are not things".
 
You are so eloquent.

Just a small part of your personal charm I guess.

But back on topic, if Brexit is the disaster that I believe it will be, rest assured no amount of name calling will be shutting me up.

If it isn't? Promise to shut the fuck up for 5 mins at least?
 
The fascinating thing about that graph (assuming it's true) is that Boris achieved such a spectacular GE win and majority, when according to those figures a clear majority of the nation opposed his only clear manifesto pledge.
Eh?

The Remain vote was split between Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP and the other minor parties.
Farage stepped down and the Leave vote all went to Johnson.

Also, many people were so fed up with the political battle that they just wanted it over and bought into Cumming's catchphrase. Don't underestimate the Corbyn factor too. Loads of politically disengaged Remain voters were more frightened of him than Brexit.
 
The fascinating thing about that graph (assuming it's true) is that Boris achieved such a spectacular GE win and majority, when according to those figures a clear majority of the nation opposed his only clear manifesto pledge.
40% still think Brexit’s a good idea. 40% voted for Boris and his bunch of inept bunglers.
It’s really not that difficult to understand
 
Eh?

The Remain vote was split between Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP and the other minor parties.
Farage stepped down and the Leave vote all went to Johnson.

Also, many people were so fed up with the political battle that they just wanted it over and bought into Cumming's catchphrase. Don't underestimate the Corbyn factor too. Loads of politically disengaged Remain voters were more frightened of him than Brexit.
Agree - That was the worst Labour campaign in my lifetime. If you were indifferent on brexit then Labour did their best to alienate the centre ground voter. Corbyns front bench included some of the worst MPs the party has and a pie in the sky manifesto.
 
Time for another vote for no other reason than to shut you moaning cunts up.
Only took 4 years for them to gain the 2%.

I still wonder what the graph would look like had it been Labour in charge of Brexit after 4 years of 'negotiations'. I can't shake the feeling there's a lot of anti-Tory bias present in the results.
 
Agree - That was the worst Labour campaign in my lifetime. If you were indifferent on brexit then Labour did their best to alienate the centre ground voter. Corbyns front bench included some of the worst MPs the party has and a pie in the sky manifesto.
I've got an ongoing argument with my sister. She owns a fairly large business (100 staff) and whilst not being politically engaged at all (I used to tease her about reading The Daily Mail but she admitted it was purely for the celebrity gossip), she was a big remainer and we as a family often discussed openly how horrified we were at the Leave vote and what chances there were of overturning.

Anyway, a few days after the election one of my kids heard from one of her kids that she'd voted for Johnson. I couldn't believe it and when we were pissed I brought it up. She was really defensive, saying "No way was I voting for Corbyn" etc. I said "You've just voted Leave" and she couldn't even quite make the connection. she was spouting that nonsense about Corbyn being a Leaver and a Marxist and all that.

There were millions like that. Not hugely politically engaged, not even aware that a hung parliament would have resulted in a second referendum and we would have remained. It will take me a long time to forgive Labour's left for that. It was fucking obvious from day one that Corbyn was unelectable for many reasons.
 
Eh?

The Remain vote was split between Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP and the other minor parties.
Farage stepped down and the Leave vote all went to Johnson.

Also, many people were so fed up with the political battle that they just wanted it over and bought into Cumming's catchphrase. Don't underestimate the Corbyn factor too. Loads of politically disengaged Remain voters were more frightened of him than Brexit.

40% still think Brexit’s a good idea. 40% voted for Boris and his bunch of inept bunglers.
It’s really not that difficult to understand
Fair point. The demonisation of Corbyn certainly played a part, but I feel you are ignoring the impact of the simplistic 'get brexit done' message. Boris had literally nothing else to commend him. His govt had overseen 10 years of austerity, and his personal flaws were all well known. It seems that the GE result, or that graph inaccurately reflect public opinion on Brexit - in the absence of proof to the contrary it must be the graph that's bollocks. The public had a clear centrist remain choice in the lib dems if ther really wanted remain/revoke and labour /corbyn were too left wing.
The EU referendum, EU elections, and GE all gave the UK public another opportunity to change the direction of travel if they wished, but actual votes which carry more weight than polling consistently reflected the wish to leave the EU.
 
Fair point. The demonisation of Corbyn certainly played a part, but I feel you are ignoring the impact of the simplistic 'get brexit done' message. Boris had literally nothing else to commend him. His govt had overseen 10 years of austerity, and his personal flaws were all well known. It seems that the GE result, or that graph inaccurately reflect public opinion on Brexit - in the absence of proof to the contrary it must be the graph that's bollocks. The public had a clear centrist remain choice in the lib dems if ther really wanted remain/revoke and labour /corbyn were too left wing.
The EU referendum, EU elections, and GE all gave the UK public another opportunity to change the direction of travel if they wished, but actual votes which carry more weight than polling consistently reflected the wish to leave the EU.
Most people had long since lost interest in Brexit and wanted the constant talk about it to go away. Many people including myself couldn’t stand Corbyn for various reasons. The Lib Dems and Labour appeared to want to prolong the Brexit process. It all added up to the perfect storm of Brexit hardliners, Corbyn haters and the can’t be arsed with Brexit crowd (who believed the Get Brexit Done and Oven Ready Deal bullshit) voting in Johnson and the Tories.
 
Fair point. The demonisation of Corbyn certainly played a part, but I feel you are ignoring the impact of the simplistic 'get brexit done' message. Boris had literally nothing else to commend him. His govt had overseen 10 years of austerity, and his personal flaws were all well known. It seems that the GE result, or that graph inaccurately reflect public opinion on Brexit - in the absence of proof to the contrary it must be the graph that's bollocks. The public had a clear centrist remain choice in the lib dems if ther really wanted remain/revoke and labour /corbyn were too left wing.
The EU referendum, EU elections, and GE all gave the UK public another opportunity to change the direction of travel if they wished, but actual votes which carry more weight than polling consistently reflected the wish to leave the EU.
I didn't ignore the "Get Brexit DOne" message. That's Cummings's catchphrase that I mentioned in the very first sentence. Probably more people were just sick of Brexit being on the news than actually caring one way or the other - which was why it was a clever message, to give the prick some credit.

At the time of the election every single poll had Remain ahead of Leave, but because of the factors I've already told you it didn't feed into the election result. You are new to the party here and don't actually seem to understand Brexit very well. But the graph you see above is definitely correct because us obsessed wankers were discussing it on here every single day. Remain took the lead as soon as the truth started to emerge after the referendum and never lost it.
 
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