Another new Brexit thread

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Vic said:
2019 Euro elections - 45% for pro-Leave parties, 55% not (including Labour with the option of another referendum)

Similar in GE.
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Fair enough, but that assumes that the labour vote was entirely composed of Remainers.i think it's fair to assume a majority were, but by no means all. There were many leave voters that just couldn't stomach voting tory that would have voted labour and even green maybe on environmental grounds. The lib dems presented a solid centrist remain choice but failed to gain traction with voters.
 
The one and only pro EU party that promised to remain and scrap Brexit got decimated.

Scotland aside of course where over 1 million Scots voted to leave but obviously voted for the SNP for domestic reasons.

No more to be said.
 
blueinsa said:
The one and only pro EU party that promised to remain and scrap Brexit got decimated.

Scotland aside of course where over 1 million Scots voted to leave but obviously voted for the SNP for domestic reasons.

No more to be said.
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Pretty much how I read it with the SNP leveraging brexit as a tool to force another referendum.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Out of interest, why?
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If I'm honest I've always voted labour and wasn't personally persuaded to switch even by the silly fudge of a brexit policy they came up with. In hindsight they would probably have been better if they were a clear remain choice although I'm honestly not sure what I'd have done with my vote then.
 
Scotland, Wales, NI and now Gibraltar - I can't figure how people don't accept that Johnson is a little Englander- its all he will have to hand over to his successor

 


Wow this is desperate stuff (and as many have pointed out, we already had 0% tariffs on "soya" sauce anyway). Also, not sure these Twitter feeds should be used for government propaganda like this.
 
blueinsa said:
The one and only pro EU party that promised to remain and scrap Brexit got decimated.

Scotland aside of course where over 1 million Scots voted to leave but obviously voted for the SNP for domestic reasons.

No more to be said.
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That’s a ridiculously over simplistic view of things.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
If I'm honest I've always voted labour and wasn't personally persuaded to switch even by the silly fudge of a brexit policy they came up with. In hindsight they would probably have been better if they were a clear remain choice although I'm honestly not sure what I'd have done with my vote then.
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That’s fair enough.
Is the present situation with the Tory government not as much of a conflict for you?

They are delivering a Brexit, whatever it may finally look like.
But I can’t imagine you’ve really enjoyed the journey they’ve taken the country on in doing it. Or have any certainty in what their next step will be after having delivered that Brexit.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
That’s fair enough.
Is the present situation with the Tory government not as much of a conflict for you?

They are delivering a Brexit, whatever it may finally look like.
But I can’t imagine you’ve really enjoyed the journey they’ve taken the country on in doing it. Or have any certainty in what their next step will be after having delivered that Brexit.
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They are a lamentable means to an end in the sense of brexit. I actually resent the way the right seem to have 'stolen' brexit as an idea from the left. My own desire to not be part of the EU is based on Tony Benn rather than Farages ideas. I do understand that this distinction won't really mean much to those that prefer remain, and yes I do find that as far as brexit goes I am in unlikely political company.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I've got an ongoing argument with my sister. She owns a fairly large business (100 staff) and whilst not being politically engaged at all (I used to tease her about reading The Daily Mail but she admitted it was purely for the celebrity gossip), she was a big remainer and we as a family often discussed openly how horrified we were at the Leave vote and what chances there were of overturning.

Anyway, a few days after the election one of my kids heard from one of her kids that she'd voted for Johnson. I couldn't believe it and when we were pissed I brought it up. She was really defensive, saying "No way was I voting for Corbyn" etc. I said "You've just voted Leave" and she couldn't even quite make the connection. she was spouting that nonsense about Corbyn being a Leaver and a Marxist and all that.

There were millions like that. Not hugely politically engaged, not even aware that a hung parliament would have resulted in a second referendum and we would have remained. It will take me a long time to forgive Labour's left for that. It was fucking obvious from day one that Corbyn was unelectable for many reasons.
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Family gatherings at your gaff sound a real laugh.

Cool story though.
 
journolud said:
I’m surprised the leavers on here haven’t been a bit more vocal in dismissing the concerns raised earlier about the impending shortage of vets. Ignoring the issue doesn’t make it go away but belittling the concerns is usually effective isn’t it?
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I don’t like pets
 

Britain confirms withdrawal from EU military missions, diplomats say​


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Britain confirms withdrawal from EU military missions, diplomats say

Britain has formally notified the European Union of its intention to withdraw from the bloc's military missions by the end of this year, EU officials told envoys on Wednesday, diplomats said.
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hilts said:
Family gatherings at your gaff sound a real laugh.

Cool story though.
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I can imagine adult conversations between educated people is an alien world to a little man like you but there’s no need to feel bitter or inadequate. There’s always the lottery.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
They are a lamentable means to an end in the sense of brexit. I actually resent the way the right seem to have 'stolen' brexit as an idea from the left. My own desire to not be part of the EU is based on Tony Benn rather than Farages ideas. I do understand that this distinction won't really mean much to those that prefer remain, and yes I do find that as far as brexit goes I am in unlikely political company.
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The idea that Labour are somehow architects of Brexit is laughable - it was always a nice idea amongst a minority on the Left as it was in the Tory Party - Thatcher was pro - EU as was Major - its the likes of Farage and others on the right who were finding their racist views just didn't gain sufficient traction among the electorate until a series of lines coalesced to make them start to grow. There was always an element of people in the UK who distrust foreigners there was always people who complained about things like Polish bricklayers stealing their jobs when they had no qualifications or interests in doing that job. Lets not forget our current PM made an handsome living working for a news paper as Brussels correspondent making up stories about cucumbers, bananas and compressed meat tubes instead of sausage that just fed the anti EU Pavlov dogs as they were being groomed and conditioned.

The shit that is coming our way from Brexit was mixed, baked, put in the oven and presented by the right - a specific number of the right - over the last 20-30 years and they need to man up and own it and when issues occur explain why they think it is preferable to the alternative rather than just rubbish it or claim its Project Fear. Thats the way you win hearts and minds by explaining like an adult rather than laughing at something or just dismissing it.
 
smudgedj said:

Britain confirms withdrawal from EU military missions, diplomats say​


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Britain confirms withdrawal from EU military missions, diplomats say

Britain has formally notified the European Union of its intention to withdraw from the bloc's military missions by the end of this year, EU officials told envoys on Wednesday, diplomats said.
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I guess by leaving the EU we have to do things like this too and then merely assist and support as non members anyway ? A bit like the trade deal we have got to make to avert economic suicide which even then will effectively leave us in a worse situation, that saves 8bn net pa but will cost us many times that amount and will effectively mean we are still in the EU anyway. So what s the point of leaving other than to satisfy the colonel blimps and the Mail / Express readers !? We are like the spoilt little brat who blames everybody else for his own personal woes and takes his ball away then sulks and watches jealously from the window wishing he was still out there whilst the other kids carry on playing happily, socialising and being successful together, calling the little brat Britain out for the shit he is !
 
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Ric said:
That’s a ridiculously over simplistic view of things.
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Not really, the complicated bit is trying to fathom how adding up all the losers, throwing in those that didn’t bother voting, and assuming certain parties all vote the same way, means the winners actually lost. If folk were vehemently against Brexit, they had a long established party to vote for that would scrap it.
They didn’t, in fact they shunned them and the leader was ousted.
 
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