The Labour Party

Shootings of black people by police in the USA only involve a small minority of a large population of black people. So that's ok is it?

They have spent so much time defending them and the only way out now is denial or admitting they were wrong. They don't seem to possess the courage I'm afraid.

Dilutes any moral stance they try and take in the future against those they are politically opposed to.

None of this is much of a surprise unfortunately
 
Glad he’s gone, I can see a route back to Labour voting now. Well done Kier from not shying away from this.
 
Corbyn should start a breakaway party and those who believe in socialism, open borders, a united Ireland, anti-NATO and all the other things he believed in can join. He can take McDonnell, Abbott, Burgon, Butler, and others with him and see how popular they are electorally and whether he really did win the argument or whether it was just Brexit that was responsible for 2019. I suppose that's the beauty of democracy so if you are a Corbynite, not all is lost.
Basically, just join the communists, it’s where his true loyalties have always been, most of us knew this. That anyone thought that someone with his views would gain power in this country displays a complete ignorance of the makeup of the British people.
Miliband’s stupid £3 quid a pop membership screwed Labour by importing every far left nutter in the country, Momentum took hold, and they are now tainted with a racism tag.
Glastonbury was never going to change the way.
 
The state of the Labour party - a guy who has spent his entire life fighting against prejudice, railroaded by his own party. Lot of parallels with what has happened in the US
 
The state of the Labour party - a guy who has spent his entire life fighting against prejudice, railroaded by his own party. Lot of parallels with what has happened in the US
All he had to say was "I'm sorry to read the findings of the EHRC report. It was never my intention to tolerate, let alone encourage, antisemitism. We tried to improve things but it's clear we didn't do enough, quickly enough. As the leader, I have to bear the responsibility for that". And that would have been enough to keep him in the party.

Yet even in the face of a thorough, impartial and independent investigation, he remains in denial.
 
Do you consider me anti semitic ?
Whether I do or not, whether you are or not, is irrelevant to this. You appear to have sided with those who facilitated and failed to stand up to abuse of a minority. Like I said, you can't be anti-racist while closing your eyes to racism simply because it's your mates being racist.

Let's use the analogy of you sitting have a drink in The Shambles before a match and witnessing an attack on opposition fans who are sitting there minding their own business or having a harmless bit of banter with City fans. After the attack, with some of the opposition fans badly hurt, you laugh about it and say they deserved it.

Does that make you a hooligan? No it doesn't but you're effectively condoning those who carried out the attack and denying the impact it had on the victims.
 
Well it wasn't referring to you directly initially but your postings on this, like Rascal's, show that your definition of anti-racism is very selective and tends to get overridden when someone you support, as leader of the Labour party, is shown to have ignored and even facilitated racism within the party.

You'd have been better off keeping quiet, instead of showing yourselves up to be hypocrites incapable of facing the truth,even when that's in black and white.
How many times do I have to say this to you. I find it abhorrent, it was right that the party was charged as there were people who behaved in an anti semitic fashion, That does not make us all anti semites, you are being just as bad here and tarring everyone with the same brush. It is a fact that the report does not say that Labour is institutionally racist. You said it sounds like it, that is not fact and you are using that to make out all of us on the left are anti semitic when the numbers investigated are again as a matter of fact, two. Read the report.

You run the danger by continuing this of actually making people think that if they are made out to be anti semitic, why not be anti semitic. And again if you thought I was antisemitic why on earth did you ever let on to me and spend time in my company. If I was anti semitic then that makes you out to be the bigger hyprocrite.
 
The state of the Labour party - a guy who has spent his entire life fighting against prejudice, railroaded by his own party. Lot of parallels with what has happened in the US
No, he’s spent his life fighting an oppression that doesn’t exist, his type have always been around, and always will be.
 
Hey? Where the fuck have you got that from.
You've always said that it's a small nmber of complaints designed to smear Corbyn. Who do you think was doing the complaining? All along you've slavishly followed the narrative set by Milne and the Corbynistas, which was basically that there would have been no problem if there hadn't been any complaints. You've never seen it as people who might actually feel threatened but have seen it as the threat being to Corbyn.
 
You've always said that it's a small nmber of complaints designed to smear Corbyn. Who do you rthink was doing the complaining? All along you've slavishly followed the narrative set by Milne and the Corbynistas, which was basically that there would have been no problem if there hadn't been any complaints.
Yes there were, a lot of them from one source on social media who went under the name of Gnasher Jew who was exposed as fraud and troll account run by the Tory party, I never once said it was Jews who were complaining although if I had been Jewish I would have complained myself because and I repeat I find all forms of discrimination from anti Semitism to islamophobia, from gay bashing to sexism abhorrent.
 
You've always said that it's a small nmber of complaints designed to smear Corbyn. Who do you think was doing the complaining? All along you've slavishly followed the narrative set by Milne and the Corbynistas, which was basically that there would have been no problem if there hadn't been any complaints. You've never seen it as people who might actually feel threatened but have seen it as the threat being to Corbyn.
Possibly how Starmer and fellow members of Corbyns shadow cabinet felt too or they surely would have followed the good example of Frank Field, Luciana Berger et al and resigned?
 
the conspiracy shit on this forum right now
It might be a conspiracy theory I don't know, that is why I said make of it what you will.

We live in times of conspiracies, because facts are ignored. Because I am on the Left I hear the shite about momentum controlling Labour and the Cultural Marxist stuff every day and they are conspiracy theories, they are not based in fact and there is no evidence around them. I debunk the momentum one weekly but still it has come up in this thread today.
 
I don't allow people in my life that espouse the whole Jews run the money but I don't hate them narrative. The same people that believe that believe in every other angle slavishly and never take a backward step.

The Labour party is absolutely full of these people. the denial is deafening.
Can you point one out on here that supports that narrative?

I have lots of mates who are on the left and I have yet to come across one person who believes it.
 
We live in times of conspiracies

Only those who live their political lives on social media. I hate the Tories they tell twitter and surprise surprise their twitter is full of anti Tory shite. I hate the left and you get the exact same, a timeline full of right wing shite all conforming to you opinion and view and telling you just how right you are about everything and how evil the opposition is and has to be stopped at all costs.

People are losing their fucking minds!
 
You want me to give you a list of Labour MP's or councillors who have antisemitic views?
Yes please, because they need exposing for there views and do not belong in office. They do not represent me or my beliefs.

So fire away,
 
Yes please, because they need exposing for there views and do not belong in office. They do not represent me or my beliefs.

So fire away,

I have just quoted one, and I have barely even looked. They've had reports enquiries and had people suspended for their views.

 

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