COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueAnorak]

What qualifications do you have to challenge the overwhelming consensus of scientific theory?

PHD in computer science and statistics.
I used to work for ONS on UK population statistics.
Statistics are statistics are statistics
They are not publishing the statistics needed to measure the accuracy of SAGE theories.
FACT.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

As discussed to death between us i do understand but economies always recover , you cant come back to life

For the last time , i understand ALL of the arguements

i think its fair to say we differ in what we think is an acceptable ammount of damage to the economy.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

PHD in computer science and statistics.
I used to work for ONS on UK population statistics.
They are not publishing the statistics needed to measure the accuracy of their theories.
FACT.

So you have no relevant qualifications to tell the Epidemiologists, virologists and the rest of the experts anything whatsoever then.

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland 3 wks ago v 2 wks v last week v today

Deaths 0 v 0 v 1 v 6

Cases 956 v ??? (impacted by lab error) v 1303 v 1148. More evidence of the flattening of cases.

Patients 449 v 703 v 1016 v 1193 - again patient numbers not rising as fast as they were.

Ventilators 35 v 62 v 86 v 81 - this is an even better number.

Good signs now Scottish lockdown is slowing things down at least.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Without Covid, over half of everyone who dies, every day/week/month and year are over 75 and half of them are over 90. Old people die all the time, it’s just what happens.

Ok. Without being dismissive, you are showing all the signs of being a young adult, with a young adult outlook, driven by a young adult brain. It's itching to get ON WITH IT. Get social, get relationships, fuck.

It fears self-absorption.

It's not ready to sit and rethink things. That is supposed to come a little later.

Life will go back to something close to the way it was, there will be more than enough opportunity for young people to buck the rules, take chances, socialise, mix, create new, lasting social groups that take them forward. It's going to be a few more months til then.

It'd be wrong not to dash your hopes - these arguments will not hold enough sway. It's painful to watch people suffer, in dealing with key developmental stages being affected by outside circumstances, being delayed, or brought forward... but it IS something, that once it's over, you won't likely be troubled by much in the future. The best advice is to adapt for the short term: Don't sit around and think about this stuff. Use your time to learn, improve skills and create. Get out and about on your own, if neccessary. Socialise creatively.

It's not forever. It's a few months. Now please consider that if I say I personally wish you would find a way to show a bit more respect to the right of other groups to survive and thrive. None of this was guaranteed, there are young adults who will through the fates of biology and other factors never get the opportunity to thrive and live as fully as you do. And the older adults, who pass through that stage, they don't want to die just because the economy shrinks and they have to stay at home. They want, they need, to look at the grandparents. And the young kids need their grandparents too. Maybe not in the same way as you need to get out into the world and make it happen for yourself. But maybe you don't need that to happen as much as the 55 year old diabetics and heart disease victims need just to survive.

 

[Cheesy]

Really shit for businesses, particularly those in the hospitality sector (as many of my clients are) however I'd still rather my business died than anyone I know ( or don't know for that matter).

 

[BlueAnorak]

So you have no relevant qualifications to tell the Epidemiologists, virologists and the rest of the experts anything whatsoever then.

Ha, If you say so.
What qualifications do you have to challenge my statement of FACT?
If scientific theories can't be tested then its not science.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Shame to see the positivity % increase a bit Healdplace. Hospital figures too in terms of new admissions the highest for a few days if I've been reading right?

Still potential for this to go a couple of different ways.

 

[abu13]

While I understand that this is a pandemic and there is no rulebook to follow I can't escape the thought that this has been mis managed. It looks more and more like the decision to ignore the circuit breaker lockdown will come back to haunt us all.

Dread to think of the personal and economical cost this will have.

 

[Scottyboi]

Mates dad still in ICU it give him sepsis and permanent lung damage poor guys only 63

 

[Healdplace]

Shame to see the positivity % increase a bit Healdplace. Hospital figures too in terms of new admissions the highest for a few days if I've been reading right?

Still potential for this to go a couple of different ways.

Yes that is true in both instances % up to 7% from 6.2% yesterday but still lower than it was in early days after introducing the new measure - why I cannot do week to week with this number as they altered the method.

Patients up 93 in past 5 days though only.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

Ha, If you say so.
What qualifications do you have to challenge my statement of FACT?

I didn't challenge anything you have stated as "fact" I only asked what relevant qualifications you have to challenge the consensus of scientists and experts. You said you don't have any.

 

[mosssideblue]

i think its fair to say we differ in what we think is an acceptable ammount of damage to the economy.

In times like these, there is only one currency_ human life

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths 3 weeks ago v 2 weeks v last week v today

32 v 61 v 76 v 137 today - is a big jump

NW:- 14 v 24 v 20 v 32 today - a significant drop in the % from NW note. Though Sunday reporting can always be a factor here.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Your‘re doing the same as the government though by somehow implying that all the dead would all be alive. Check out excess deaths to get the true picture of what’s going on.
Over 10000 people died EVERY week in England and Wales in 2019. In the winter hospitals were full, as were ICU’s, but people were treated for cancer, heart conditions and strokes, aged dementia patients had visits from families and people were dying surrounded by their loved ones. Lives were remembered and grief was allowed.

So what do you suggest? That we just don't bother and "let it rip"? That would be a novel approach not shared by any country in the world. Which leads me to believe it would be an idiotic idea.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I've already explained my reasoning,it seems you are determined to have an unfounded hyperbolic rant regardless.

No, I was simply replying to your utter nonsense about me not thinking about other people. Quite simple really.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

In times like these, there is only one currency_ human life

Its a bit more complicated than that isnt it. There is a cost benefit analysis made for every disease, im just not sure they have the measures or the balance right for covid. Economics aside there are also massive social and mental cost which needs to be taken account of.

 

[Chippy_boy]

For accuracy, it would not be '4 weeks'. It is 'four in addition to around 16 weeks earlier in the year'. Around half a school year, I believe. This is not 'utterly irrelevant'. It probably is if you don't have children of school age.

We are where we are. It's an additional 4 weeks, and importantly 4 weeks where their education does not have to cease simply because they don't physically attend school.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data:

Surprise surprise - there are yet more 'testing issues' making today's test numbers unreliable!

Sadly though 16 deaths here.

Cases as they are 819 at 11% positive.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales 3 wks ago v 2 wks v last week v today - such as you can judge given the caveat today.

Deaths 2 v 3 v 5 v 16 today

Cases 467 v 950 v 1104 v 819 today.

Positivity up to 11% from 10% last week.