COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[purplenose]

It should never come to that, but at some point, if behaviours don't change...

The sad truth of this is if you put every police force together add the forces and you would still probably be short of being able to enforce a strict lock down in London alone.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Agreed. The one thing the past seven months have taught me us that I am surrounded by selfish, ignorant, unintelligent morons who don’t give a shit about anyone bar themselves but will be the first in line when there are handouts, vaccines etc

That became very apparent to me many,many,years ago when i chose a career that meant i had the (mis)fortune of dealing with such people all day every day.

This country is full of cvnts,its got worse over the past few years,its not even a debate.

 

[gazinho]

To be successful, it will need not only to find those who are infected regardless of symptoms, but convince them to self-isolate. Only 20% to 25% of people are estimated to quarantine fully when asked to do so by test and trace.

'Estimated'

'20 to 25%'

Whilst I don't doubt for one second there are some knob heads that don't / wont isolate properly when asked to do so I cant imagine the number will be anywhere near that low, from personal experience I know numerous people that have been asked to isolate and have done so correctly

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I’m not sure it’s the only factor, but it certainly is one that can be avoided.

A member of staff at my daughter’s school went on holiday to Spain and returned the day before school started. The head had warned that anyone who went to a country where you needed to quarantine on return you must give yourself enough time before school opened or maybe lose pay.
So this upstanding member of the community chose not to tell the school she had been on holiday.
Three days after return she goes off sick with, guess what? How many will she have infected in school? It was completely avoidable but her selfish actions could put someone else at risk.

In my world that should be a sackable offence. Bet it wasn’t though.

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland 3 wks ago v 2 wks v last wk v today

Deaths 15 v 28 v 25 v 28 today

Cases 1297 v 1456 v 1327 v 999 today - Nicola discusses the now clearly real plateau effect from early introduction of restrictions here in her talk.

Says we cannot take too much comfort from it plateauing so high. But believes Scotland was more successful in lowering the R number and cases over the Summer so started lower than England when the rise began, introduced restrictions quickly and so are plateauing now at a lower point than England will. But will not over react in removing restrictions until absolutely sure it is safe to do so.

Patients 527 v 824 v 1100 v 1254 today - again a clear slowing down of numbers - though still rising.

Ventilators 35 v 69 v 82 v 92 - another promising slow down of the increase.

The % testing positive though IS rising - up from 8.7% last week to 10.3% today.

 

[mosssideblue]

The behaviour we are describing has been engrained in to our population over the last 50 years, I can’t seeing it changing any time soon.

If we don't start making headway and we keep having to have interim lockdowns, eventually the public will start to lobby the Government for stronger action against the Covidiots

 

[True_Blue69]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...covid-second-lockdown-rules-uk-cases-england/

Backing up what some have been saying on here based on Healdplace's stats. The tier systems were working and should have been persisted with. Lockdown is based on models on old data rather than using the most up to date figures. Unfortunately we will never know if the tier system would have been a success.

 

[inchy14]

The government have not been great, but they are not as half as bad of those deliberately ignoring guidance after being told to isolate

Like some of the government and their cronies

 

[shemnel]

I’m not sure it’s the only factor, but it certainly is one that can be avoided.

A member of staff at my daughter’s school went on holiday to Spain and returned the day before school started. The head had warned that anyone who went to a country where you needed to quarantine on return you must give yourself enough time before school opened or maybe lose pay.
So this upstanding member of the community chose not to tell the school she had been on holiday.
Three days after return she goes off sick with, guess what? How many will she have infected in school? It was completely avoidable but her selfish actions could put someone else at risk.

stuff like that is ridiculous, i do agree that behaviour like that is entirely avoidable. There is a massive inertia when it comes to stopping people's regular way of life, in terms of this long drag of people not adapting, whether that being truly selfish "i dont care" or more naive/stupid "it's only me" sort of attitudes. And while i am agreeing with you, that this lack of personal responsibility is playing out across the UK, i personally dont think it is as impactful as schools (and the odd isolation rules that come with them), universities, colleges, eat out to help out and high street shopping (this, for me, is way bigger than pubs and bars). It's all just a guessing game though isn't it.

 

[mosssideblue]

Like some of the government and their cronies

If you mean Cummings and the Scottish lady then yes, but that is no longer a valid excuse today imo

 

[shemnel]

If we don't start making headway and we keep having to have interim lockdowns, eventually the public will start to lobby the Government for stronger action against the Covidiots

can i ask how you define a Covidiot? woe betide i'm classed as that in my daily life.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Scotland 3 wks ago v 2 wks v last wk v today

Deaths 7 v 15 v 25 v 28 today

Cases 1297 v 1456 v 1327 v 999 today - Nicola discusses the now clearly real plateau effect from early introduction of restrictions here in her talk.

Says we cannot take too much comfort from it plateauing so high. But believes Scotland was more successful in lowering the R number and cases over the Summer so started lower than England when the rise began, introduced restrictions quickly and so are plateauing now at a lower point than England will. But will not over react in removing restrictions until absolutely sure it is safe to do so.

Patients 527 v 824 v 1100 v 1254 today - again a clear slowing down of numbers - though still rising.

Ventilators 35 v 69 v 82 v 92 - another promising slow down of the increase.

The % testing positive though IS rising - up from 8.7% last week to 10.3% today.

That % positive is really frustrating. The other stats are in no way good but at least there's hope in things getting under control but the % positive makes me think maybe not.

 

[mosssideblue]

can i ask how you define a Covidiot? woe betide i'm classed as that in my daily life.

Someone blatantly ignoring the rules, attending raves, street parties, refusing to isolate after being advised to, etc

 

[BlueAnorak]

If we don't start making headway and we keep having to have interim lockdowns, eventually the public will start to lobby the Government for stronger action against the Covidiots

They need to be Tazzerd on the spot and dragged away to spend 3 weeks in a Covid infection facility.
Enough is enough.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Sheikh Mohammed has had one of the Chinese vaccines today. I wonder if they will get there first for approval ahead of the ones in the west.

 

[shemnel]

Someone blatantly ignoring the rules, attending raves, street parties, refusing to isolate after being advised to, etc

well, cant say i'm a covidiot then.

 

[BlueAnorak]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...covid-second-lockdown-rules-uk-cases-england/

Backing up what some have been saying on here based on Healdplace's stats. The tier systems were working and should have been persisted with. Lockdown is based on models on old data rather than using the most up to date figures. Unfortunately we will never know if the tier system would have been a success.

I think it only worked when areas were put in tier 3 - which is nearly lockdown anyway.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I’m not sure it’s the only factor, but it certainly is one that can be avoided.

A member of staff at my daughter’s school went on holiday to Spain and returned the day before school started. The head had warned that anyone who went to a country where you needed to quarantine on return you must give yourself enough time before school opened or maybe lose pay.
So this upstanding member of the community chose not to tell the school she had been on holiday.
Three days after return she goes off sick with, guess what? How many will she have infected in school? It was completely avoidable but her selfish actions could put someone else at risk.

She should be sacked for gross misconduct

 

[Blue Maverick]

well, cant say i'm a covidiot then.

Are you proud of it, because it sounds like it.

 

[blueparrot]

That % positive is really frustrating. The other stats are in no way good but at least there's hope in things getting under control but the % positive makes me think maybe not.

The %ve confuses me, mentioned it yesterday, but I get how it can be a bad thing. On the other hand a well run test and trace that is testing and find a lot of contacts is going to produce a higher positive %age and would be a good thing. Difficult to know which it is.