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Eds said:
‘Only 20% to 25% of people are estimated to quarantine fully when asked to do so by test and trace’. And people blame the government for the spread of the virus. People need to look closer to home and be more accountable
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To be fair its not quite that bad. 30% ignore the rules completely and the rest pop out on occasion to get vital stuff
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Sheikh Mohammed has had one of the Chinese vaccines today. I wonder if they will get there first for approval ahead of the ones in the west.
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They had a few weeks at least advantage on the world so I would expect so. Less scruples on testing too. So this was probably inevitable as - rightly - we will dot all the i's first. And give it to health workers first not those who can pay.
 
blueparrot said:
The %ve confuses me, mentioned it yesterday, but I get how it can be a bad thing. On the other hand a well run test and trace that is testing and find a lot of contacts is going to produce a higher positive %age and would be a good thing. Difficult to know which it is.
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Yeah I suppose that's another way of looking at it. I see it as a prevalence of spread in the community though, the lower that % is the less spread there is, which would eventually lead to lower raw numbers. Might be reading this all wrong, but I have it in my head that when this % positive is increasing, the numbers which have been decreasing or at least plateuing for a couple of weeks might soon rise again too. Hope I'm wrong!
 
shemnel said:
can i ask how you define a Covidiot? woe betide i'm classed as that in my daily life.
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Easy - anyone who doesn't Hands/Face/Space or thinks going to a freind's house for long lasting social interaction or going out on a pub crawl or out to a rave/party is a good idea.
Far too many of the fuckwhits about to be honest.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I think it only worked when areas were put in tier 3 - which is nearly lockdown anyway.
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Agreed. From a personal perspective there are big differences from what we are now and tier 3. Closing hospitality will affect my wife's job that she has worked so hard to keep over the past 6 months which isn't great.
 
The % positive thing is confusing as it is very hard to gauge it nation to nation as there is not a common practice in reporting. You cannot just divide cases by tests carried out but often those are the only numbers easy to access.

That tells you something, obviously. But not the whole story given that multiple tests on one person can be carried out.

You have to go hunting and calculating for other nations to find a comparable number to the Scottish ones.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Yeah I suppose that's another way of looking at it. I see it as a prevalence of spread in the community though, the lower that % is the less spread there is, which would eventually lead to lower raw numbers. Might be reading this all wrong, but I have it in my head that when this % positive is increasing, the numbers which have been decreasing or at least plateuing for a couple of weeks might soon rise again too. Hope I'm wrong!
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I agree and not sure which way round is right probably both. Think at the beginning of the spike a rising %age means a greater prevalence in the communtity. If though it's levelling and falling and the %age is still high it means control is working and better targetted tracing is working. I guess we will see which in the coming week or so if numbers keep falling and the %age doesn't it must be the good one.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Agreed. From a personal perspective there are big differences from what we are now and tier 3. Closing hospitality will affect my wife's job that she has worked so hard to keep over the past 6 months which isn't great.
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If tier 3 is working and tier 1 and tier 2 are not, then we should all go into tier 3 and cancel the lock down.
stats indicate around 8000 people will die for every 1% rise in unemployment
 
shemnel said:
stuff like that is ridiculous, i do agree that behaviour like that is entirely avoidable. There is a massive inertia when it comes to stopping people's regular way of life, in terms of this long drag of people not adapting, whether that being truly selfish "i dont care" or more naive/stupid "it's only me" sort of attitudes. And while i am agreeing with you, that this lack of personal responsibility is playing out across the UK, i personally dont think it is as impactful as schools (and the odd isolation rules that come with them), universities, colleges, eat out to help out and high street shopping (this, for me, is way bigger than pubs and bars). It's all just a guessing game though isn't it.
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I wouldn’t like to pin point any particular reason for its spread. I‘ve only eaten out twice since March, once in St Ives and once in Dartmouth. Both places felt safe and we were next to an open window both times.
However that was my choice to ‘risk it’ and potentially get COVID just as the other diners also took their risks. Unlike the dick in my daughter’s school who put everyone else at risk without them being aware.
My daughter cancelled her holiday as she knew she wouldn’t be back in time to quarantine if needed so was really annoyed that a colleague basically shit on the rest of them.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
That's true mate but that's what large parts of Britain are like, which is why the government's delayed, dithering, unsure, softly-softly approach going right back to early March and at every step since has been a calamity. The two things cannot be separated, and nether can the ignoring of the rules by politicians, particularly Cummings.

I think we can all agree that the whole national approach to this pandemic has been a massive disaster from top to bottom.
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Priceless, if I didn’t know better I would think you a scouser.

the flip side of the argument is that too many years of the nanny state and giving into people with ‘hurt feelings’ as led us down this path, but that’s for the politics thread.
 
squirtyflower said:
I’m not sure it’s the only factor, but it certainly is one that can be avoided.

A member of staff at my daughter’s school went on holiday to Spain and returned the day before school started. The head had warned that anyone who went to a country where you needed to quarantine on return you must give yourself enough time before school opened or maybe lose pay.
So this upstanding member of the community chose not to tell the school she had been on holiday.
Three days after return she goes off sick with, guess what? How many will she have infected in school? It was completely avoidable but her selfish actions could put someone else at risk.
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There’s a whole thread of cunts on here advising each other how to dodge the quarantine and where to go for relaxed covid procedures alongside cheap beer abroad.
Perhaps everyone who is currently holidaying abroad should be sacked on return.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
There’s a whole thread of cunts on here advising each other how to dodge the quarantine and where to go for relaxed covid procedures alongside cheap beer abroad.
Perhaps everyone who is currently holidaying abroad should be sacked on return.
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Depends on whether they follow the rules on their return.
This lady didn’t, however plenty do.
 
ONS data on where deaths with Covid mentioned as a contributory cause on death certificate occurred in pandemic to date v the most recent data (week ending 23 October).

Location /// Numbers over pandemic //// in week ending 23 Oct

Hospital /// 35, 479 /// 763

Care Home /// 15, 972 /// 153

At home /// 2643 /// 49

Hospice /// 775 /// 8

Other locations //// 442 /// 5
 
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England hospital deaths - new high sadly.

225 with 80 from the NW. Most yet. 51 North East & Yorks and 40 Midlands.

63 of the 80 NW deaths on Sat/Sun/Mon.
 
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