COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[cleavers]

And 492 all settings deaths

Terrible, so much for the prediction (sorry projection) of 500 per day by the end of November, it's only the 4th.

 

[kaz7]

I think people should get off whitty's back

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Well you dont get that it is stopping the spread that is the key thing so you wouldnt agree with me , it is our duty to protect each other

Karen, stop, take a step back. I know you have personally been affected by the virus but we live in the U.K. No one is forcing anyone to have the vaccine any time soon, and rightly so.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

497 deaths, Fuck me this is getting out of control again, as much as i hate the idea of a lockdown we have to do something.

It’s not enough though!

These figures might come down somewhat through people not gong to each other’s houses (although that’s still going to happen because too many people don’t give a shit!), but the rest of this lockdown is shutting down negligible-impact-places which will do very very little towards getting numbers down.

Schools should have shut for a two week isolation circuit breaker the week before half term. It would have been over by now and would have made a HUGE difference! Instead, I predict schools staying open will see these numbers either continue to increase or see the numbers take a very long time to come down, therefore, see this lockdown being extended for longer.

It needn’t be like this if they locked down the right areas of society at the right times, and selfish wankers in the population had stuck to the rules throughout.

 

[Healdplace]

GM scoreboard:

Manchester 454 - up from 327. Total cases 21, 807. Weekly 2661. Pop score up 82 to enter the 3900 club at 3964. Manchester will join the 4000 club tomorrow. Weekly Pop up 2 to 481.

Oldham 368 - up from 279. Total cases 10, 765. Weekly 1872. Pop score up record 155 to miss out entirely the 4400 club and enter the 4500 at 4540. Weekly Pop up 26 to 789 - highest ever for a GM borough.

Wigan 358 - up from 304. Total cases 12, 071. Weekly 2260. Pop score up 109 to enter the 3600 club at 3673. Weekly Pop up 7 to 688.

Bolton 261 - up from 196. Total cases 11, 356. Weekly 1610. Pop score up 90 to 3949. Looks like they will be in a double act with Manchester entering the 4000 club tomorrow. Weekly Pop up 1 to 560.

Salford 244 - up from 234. Total cases 9718. Weekly 1671. Pop score up 95 to enter the 3700 club at 3755. Weekly Pop up 7 to 646.

Rochdale 209 - up from 191. Total cases 9090. Weekly 1313. Pop score up 94 to become the second into the 4000 club at 4087. Though Rochdale and Oldham will not be alone in here tomorrow. Weekly Pop down 13 to 590.

Bury 192 - up from 143. Total cases 7128, Weekly 1132. Pop score up 100 to enter the 3700 club at 3732. Weekly Pop up 15 to 593.

Stockport 182 - up from 158. Total cases 7910. Weekly 1289. Pop score up 62 - lowest in GM today - to 2696. Weekly Pop down 18 to 440.

Tameside 177 - up from 172. Total cases 7795. Weekly 1219. Pop score up 78 to enter the 3400 club at 3442. Weekly Pop down 4 to 539.

Trafford 154 - up from 140. As usual lowest score here. Total cases 6794. Weekly 977. By far lowest in GM but rising again. Pop score up 64 to enter 2800 club at 2862. Gap to Stockport increased for lowest Pop Score to 166. Weekly Pop up 3 to 411. Lowest in GM but lead here falls again to 29.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

So why is Trafford consistently returning the lowest numbers in Gtr Mcr? What are they doing there that we can learn from?

 

[Barcon]

Karen, stop, take a step back. I know you have personally been affected by the virus but we live in the U.K. No one is forcing anyone to have the vaccine any time soon, and rightly so.

Out of curiosity, why would anyone need to be forced?

 

[Healdplace]

Weekly Pop - which tracks the progress day to day over past 7 days of each borough with the case number per 100,000 population (hence Pop) giving comparisons that even out borough size.

Higher = worst, lower = best. Though nowhere over 400 is not on watch.

Oldham 731 - 743 - 755 - 780 - 746 - 763 - 789 (up 58 in wk)

Wigan 704 - 721 - 741 - 721 - 708 - 681 - 688 (down 16 in wk)

Salford 637 - 679 - 693 - 703 - 662 - 639 - 646 (up 9 in wk)

Bury 556 - 573 - 611 - 629 - 594 - 578 - 593 (up 37 in wk)

Rochdale 611 - 635 - 660 - 674 - 622 - 603 - 590 (down 21 in wk)

Bolton 574 - 581 - 596 - 609 - 592 - 559 - 560 (down 14 in wk)

Tameside 545 - 562 - 576 - 582 - 555 - 543 - 539 (down 6 in wk)

Manchester 517 - 534 - 522 - 526 - 499 - 479 - 481 (down 36 in wk)

Stockport 463 - 483 - 491 - 508 - 473 458 - 440 (down 23 in wk)

Trafford 445 - 450 - 445 - 432 - 420 - 408 - 411 (down 34 in wk)

 

[Chippy_boy]

Food for thought, the UK first locked down on March 23rd (more strictly than now) when we reached 67 reported daily deaths. As a result, the disease was controlled and daily deaths carried on rising but peaked at around 1,000 before declining.

Today we reached circa 500 reported deaths before we've locked down tomorrow. I wonder where the peak will be.

 

[Healdplace]

So why is Trafford consistently returning the lowest numbers in Gtr Mcr? What are they doing there that we can learn from?

I said just that the other night in my report. We should be investigating why Wigan went so far out of control and why Trafford has managed to keep so far in control.

One difference is that both were exempted (with Stockport) from the GM August restrictions but Trafford declined to be released and stayed in them whereas Wigan and Stockport ended up back in them.

Perhaps the Trafford council made a wise decision.

Though as you see from the raw case numbers these can be misleading. The Pop score relates the numbers to the borough population so it is really the guide to how good or bad actual case numbers are. 100 cases in Trafford means a very different thing to 100 in Manchester. As the change in Pop score when it is added to both places reveals.

 

[nellyonthewing]

I don't trust this latest convenient spike to pressure the lockdown vote. I don't trust this Government or the politicised hierarchy of the NHS and Dept of Health.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I don't trust this latest convenient spike to pressure the lockdown vote. I don't trust this Government or the politicised hierarchy of the NHS and Dept of Health.

Who do you trust, Nelly?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Who do you trust, Nelly?

no-one, do do do dooo.

 

[nellyonthewing]

Who do you trust, Nelly?

Well Roub -I trust those equally eminent experts who don't have to cover the ass of the politicians they owe their jobs to. People who don't have to defend the waste of £billions on useless track, test and trace. Experts who aren't political mouthpieces but genuine intelligent not establishment career donkeys.
The Barrington Declaration and my own judgement is who I trust.

 

[nellyonthewing]

Food for thought, the UK first locked down on March 23rd (more strictly than now) when we reached 67 reported daily deaths. As a result, the disease was controlled and daily deaths carried on rising but peaked at around 1,000 before declining.

Today we reached circa 500 reported deaths before we've locked down tomorrow. I wonder where the peak will be.

The peak will be where Dominic Cummings tells Boris it will be.

 

[kaz7]

Well Roub -I trust those equally eminent experts who don't have to cover the ass of the politicians they owe their jobs to. People who don't have to defend the waste of £billions on useless track, test and trace. Experts who aren't political mouthpieces but genuine intelligent not establishment career donkeys.
The Barrington Declaration and my own judgement is who I trust.

You might want to read all the names on that list lol

 

[Cassandra]

I don’t believe the death numbers are any way stacking up with your figures.

Are you saying that the First Minister has done a superior job to the Prime Minister in dealing with the coronavirus?

OK you are entitled to believe that if you like - here is the source of my figures for you to check (the site has been updated since I quoted my figures but they are broadly the same) - now what evidence do you have to back up your belief?

UK Coronavirus Tracker

Current and historical data of the Coronavirus outbreak in the UK. Includes breakdowns by region, maps, charts, and more!

www.travellingtabby.com

Incidentally the tragic figure of 50 deaths in Scotland represented 9.15 deaths per million whilst England's equally tragic 388 deaths represented 6.89 deaths per million. The 7 day figures moved to 31.7 for Scotland and 30.6 for England; the overall figures to 536 for Scotland and 749 for England. (According to that site)

Apart from her communication that I believe has been far superior to that of the Prime Minister I'm not sure at the moment whether the overall policies will turn out to have made an awful lot of difference - time will tell, as with comparisons to other countries, simply suppressing the virus may not be sustainable in the long term. There is no easy balance. It is also difficult to compare countries over a short time period as they may be in different points on their cycle.

My issues are more that you appear to be misrepresenting the Scottish situation.

 

[squirtyflower]

OK you are entitled to believe that if you like - here is the source of my figures for you to check (the site has been updated since I quoted my figures but they are broadly the same) - now what evidence do you have to back up your belief?

UK Coronavirus Tracker

Current and historical data of the Coronavirus outbreak in the UK. Includes breakdowns by region, maps, charts, and more!

www.travellingtabby.com

Incidentally the tragic figure of 50 deaths in Scotland represented 9.15 deaths per million whilst England's equally tragic 388 deaths represented 6.89 deaths per million. The 7 day figures moved to 31.7 for Scotland and 30.6 for England; the overall figures to 536 for Scotland and 749 for England. (According to that site)

Apart from her communication that I believe has been far superior to that of the Prime Minister I'm not sure at the moment whether the overall policies will turn out to have made an awful lot of difference - time will tell, as with comparisons to other countries, simply suppressing the virus may not be sustainable in the long term. There is no easy balance. It is also difficult to compare countries over a short time period as they may be in different points on their cycle.

My issues are more that you appear to be misrepresenting the Scottish situation.

I still disagree with your assertions.
Neither government, for whatever reason, have handled this well. Although, equally, few democracies have.
Your allegiance to your adopted country is admirable, however I have little allegiance to either and am able to be objective about the way both have been represented by both the press and some posters on here.
My issue is the free ride given to Sturgeon, who is no better than Johnson despite, again, the differences in severity of intervention. She’s riding a populist wave that is undeservin.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

OK you are entitled to believe that if you like - here is the source of my figures for you to check (the site has been updated since I quoted my figures but they are broadly the same) - now what evidence do you have to back up your belief?

UK Coronavirus Tracker

Current and historical data of the Coronavirus outbreak in the UK. Includes breakdowns by region, maps, charts, and more!

www.travellingtabby.com

Incidentally the tragic figure of 50 deaths in Scotland represented 9.15 deaths per million whilst England's equally tragic 388 deaths represented 6.89 deaths per million. The 7 day figures moved to 31.7 for Scotland and 30.6 for England; the overall figures to 536 for Scotland and 749 for England. (According to that site)

Apart from her communication that I believe has been far superior to that of the Prime Minister I'm not sure at the moment whether the overall policies will turn out to have made an awful lot of difference - time will tell, as with comparisons to other countries, simply suppressing the virus may not be sustainable in the long term. There is no easy balance. It is also difficult to compare countries over a short time period as they may be in different points on their cycle.

My issues are more that you appear to be misrepresenting the Scottish situation.

I don’t like to see any harm from the Covid regardless of nationality but it was pretty low for the SNP to try and blame Scotland’s predicament on Blackpool. I wouldn’t be surprised it if it was the other way round.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

So why is Trafford consistently returning the lowest numbers in Gtr Mcr? What are they doing there that we can learn from?

I haven’t a clue because all my family live in Urmston/Flixton and say barely anyone is following the rules.