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Saddleworth2 said:
ahem. The majority of the 17.4m voted for the list they were promised. Those that authored and promised that list are still the force behind current activity.
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The vote was a binary choice with no list attached. Those still railing against the result might as well sit in the corner with trump crying about electoral arithmetic not going the way they want.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Yes they did, and we still get the same invented scenarios painting a narrative
of chaos and confusion, saying the above isn't happening. Then we're hearing
the now quaint term 'Brexit Ultras,' used to describe anyone who voted to leave the EU, what, exactly, is an 'Ultra?'
Nothing has happened, yet we're certainly due a 'Shit deal,' and everyone who voted for Brexit needs to own it.
So there.
The mouth foaming and foot stamping is wondrous to behold.
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I hope that latter bit means you were at an ERG meeting with IDS and Rees-Mogg
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
The vote was a binary choice with no list attached. Those still railing against the result might as well sit in the corner with trump crying about electoral arithmetic not going the way they want.
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Thats true. But it also wasn't conducted in a vacuum. I'm simply reflecting what the leave campaign promised and then government double downed on. I thought you were better than resorting to the usual cheap shot when faced with a simple piece of incontestable evidence. Brexit is done and dusted and is irreversible mate. Don't be surprised though that folks hold up the mirror comparing what was promised to what is ultimately delivered.
 
Vic said:
"The result" we're railing against is not the result in 2016, it's the result now.
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Pretty much , I thought brexit was a daft idea to start with,and after the result hoped we could at least end up with a sensible compromise deal like other non members such as Norway, Iceland. The shambles we have now though is just driven by idiots.Don't beleive anybody that says this is the brexit they envisaged when they voted.
 
Vic said:
"The result" we're railing against is not the result in 2016, it's the result now.
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I find it rather pathetic that some of the Brexit fans are still trying to shut down debate by pretending that the rest of us are just moaning about a referendum four and a half years ago. Presumably because they have started to realise what a shit show it's going to be next year and blathering on about the referendum is all they've got left. All we're trying to do is hold to account those that made empty promises at the time, including the current Prime Minister.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Thats true. But it also wasn't conducted in a vacuum. I'm simply reflecting what the leave campaign promised and then government double downed on. I thought you were better than resorting to the usual cheap shot when faced with a simple piece of incontestable evidence. Brexit is done and dusted and is irreversible mate. Don't be surprised though that folks hold up the mirror comparing what was promised to what is ultimately delivered.
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Fair enough, hold this mirror up when we see what is delivered, what it entails, and whether it's good, bad, or indifferent. All we're hearing at present
is that it's totally shit, and everyone needs to own it, lol.
Talk is of a deal next Tuesday, although I think it'll be right at the death, but we'll see.
 
blueparrot said:
Pretty much , I thought brexit was a daft idea to start with,and after the result hoped we could at least end up with a sensible compromise deal like other non members such as Norway, Iceland. The shambles we have now though is just driven by idiots.Don't beleive anybody that says this is the brexit they envisaged when they voted.
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What Brexit is this that you say we envisaged?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Fair enough, hold this mirror up when we see what is delivered, what it entails, and whether it's good, bad, or indifferent. All we're hearing at present
is that it's totally shit, and everyone needs to own it, lol.
Talk is of a deal next Tuesday, although I think it'll be right at the death, but we'll see.
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I agree. I still see a deal being done. When/if it is done we can always revisit that list. It should be entirely possible, even at this late stage to agree a FTA with sensible LPF and governance that is acceptable to both parties. No deal is hopeless for both of us.
But to return to your post, its hardly surprising that folk think the situation just now is pretty shit, because it is. Hope things improve in 2021.
 
blueparrot said:
Haven't a clue,probably many different visions of brexit, but if it was this shambles you were seeing you must have been on some substances.
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You say you haven't a clue, but then tell everyone not to believe what we're supposed to have envisaged. So what is it that we've seen, we don't know about, but you do, and we mustn't lie about?
Pass the substances.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
You say you haven't a clue, but then tell everyone not to believe what we're supposed to have envisaged. So what is it that we've seen, we don't know about, but you do, and we mustn't lie about?
Pass the substances.
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Well, did you envisage the current situation and is it what you voted for?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I agree. I still see a deal being done. When/if it is done we can always revisit that list. It should be entirely possible, even at this late stage to agree a FTA with sensible LPF and governance that is acceptable to both parties. No deal is hopeless for both of us.
But to return to your post, its hardly surprising that folk think the situation just now is pretty shit, because it is. Hope things improve in 2021.
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Agreed, and I also believe a deal is due.
Then the shit or no shit can be analysed.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
You say you haven't a clue, but then tell everyone not to believe what we're supposed to have envisaged. So what is it that we've seen, we don't know about, but you do, and we mustn't lie about?
Pass the substances.
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Okay, well done it's panned out well for you. How does it finish?
 
west didsblue said:
There's no shortage of shit that's going to happen anyway deal or no deal, unless the deal sells out Brexit and implements a further transition.
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I don't care what brexit anybody says they wanted. I just don't believe anyone that says they thought we'd get to 6 weeks from the end of the transition time,41/2 years after the vote with no deal in place and no time to implement the infrastructure required for any deal that's agreed,or no deal at all to go smoothly.
 
joe123 said:
Well, did you envisage the current situation and is it what you voted for?
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I voted to leave the EU, parliament refused to implement that vote for 4 years, until relatively recent events. We have left the EU and are currently in the process of negotiating with them to obtain a mutually acceptable trading partnership, that process is ongoing, but by recent accounts is nearing completion, one way or another.
So yes, the above is exactly what I voted for, albeit years late, if the results
of said talks end in agreements I believe are favourable to this country, fine, if
not, I'll say so. You appear to be inferring that the outcome is detrimental prior to its resolution, I prefer to wait and see.
 
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