COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BimboBob]

for those asking, this must be the source, rounded down quite somewhat;

Nursing Times survey reveals views on flu and Covid-19 vaccines | Nursing Times

Wearing personal protective equipment, side-effects, access to the clinics and being vegan are among the reasons cited by nurses for not having the

www.nursingtimes.net

63% of nurses said they would have it, 23% dont know, 14% no. Common concerns included unknown side-effects and that it might be “rushed through”.

So 14% @peter101

Or in your small brain, half.

 

[03 March 2002]

The only problem with PCR tests is sensititivity.

1/1000 (0.1%) test +ve when they should have tested -ve. So the tests are highly specific.

5/100 (5%) test -ve when they should have tested +ve. So sensitivity is very good - but its not fantastic. But if you have symptoms you realty should isolate anyway.

Not sure about this assessment. PCR and immunochemistry techniques are typically some of the more sensitive tools we have. We are usually operating on the nano/picogramme level for analytes. It's quite mind boggling to think we go lower than that.

Selectivity is the issue here and unfortunately PCR has got a bad rap when really it's just the vehicle. Test design is the real barrier. We have to improve the quality of the kits available through knowledge and time. The tests will get better, as long as there's financial appetite to do it.

 

[artfuldodger]

for those asking, this must be the source, rounded down quite somewhat;

Nursing Times survey reveals views on flu and Covid-19 vaccines | Nursing Times

Wearing personal protective equipment, side-effects, access to the clinics and being vegan are among the reasons cited by nurses for not having the

www.nursingtimes.net

63% of nurses said they would have it, 23% dont know, 14% no. Common concerns included unknown side-effects and that it might be “rushed through”.

So 86% probably will

 

[inchy14]

The self isolating PM. He’s also had a negative rapid test, the sort rolling out in Liverpool and beyond, but is still self isolating for 2 weeks. Absolutely pointless...

Or perfect timing to avoid questions on Cummings....

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The only problem with PCR tests is sensititivity.

1/1000 (0.1%) test +ve when they should have tested -ve. So the tests are highly specific.

5/100 (5%) test -ve when they should have tested +ve. So sensitivity is very good - but it's not fantastic. But if you have symptoms you realty should isolate anyway as you are ill! Government advice on this point is not great.

As long as the Cycle Threshold is reasonable. A Portuguese court has stated that when using a CT of over 35 it is likely that 97% of positives are actually false positives which isn’t great.

 

[M18CTID]

Some of the stuff circulating on social media is amazing. It's almost as if people have gone back to the dark ages when witches used to be burned. It's incredible that people seem ready to believe any conspiracy theory they can latch onto.

I don’t know about anyone else but what I’m finding is that people who I never thought would believe that shit are falling for it too.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

As long as the Cycle Threshold is reasonable. A Portuguese court has stated that when using a CT of over 35 it is likely that 97% of positives are actually false positives which isn’t great.

But this is obviously bollocks, otherwise positives would be simply and directly proportional to test rates.

 

[Tonster]

Where is your link to that? Ive 3 members of my immediate family in the NHS and theyve never heard of such a survey of nurses

well it was from a reputable source the exact number doesnt matter as if a lot of nhs nurses arent vaccinated covid will spread through the health system. Therefore lockdowns will have to continue there is no choice. it is why i believe we are a long way off getting back to normal even with a vaccine

Of course the exact number matters. 14% v the 50% you claimed. Plus this was from a survey published on 3rd Nov (so carried out some time before that) before the new information on predicted success rates of 90% and 94.5%. As more information comes to light, more people (including nurses) will be persuaded of the safety.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Down for a week, it is the start of winter, we need toget it down and keep it down as low as possible for when flu kicks in , i dont know why you dont want to accept it

I thought you wanted to follow the science? Glasgow has been locked down, cases are falling but NS decides that means more restrictions. Do you not understand that for people to follow the rules they need to understand what needs to happen for them to have been deemed successful. If the politicians just make it up, the compliance will fall off even more.

 

[hilts]

The anti vaxxers have their own cunning plan and are laughing all the way to Mrs Miggins pie shop. Huzzah!!!!!

 

[Elbow beards]

I don’t know about anyone else but what I’m finding is that people who I never thought would believe that shit are falling for it too.

Not only are they idiots, they're dangerous idiots. If too many people believe this shit we will never be rid of covid. Ironically the ones that think it's a form of control, will actually be controlled more if they don't take it because we will constantly be in a series of lockdowns.

 

[Healdplace]

By the way our (bottom of the league) data set up has yet again screwed up. Another delay until after 6 pm due to issues over 'data processing'. Dread to think what that means today after the fun and games last night.

I think the best thing on TV at Christmas 2021 might well be the all star comedy drama based on this past year poking fun at what we have been through when (hopefully) this is all over and we can start to smile again.

Might be a bit too early out of respect for those still with harrowing memories. But it will happen one day.

Someone is bound to tell this story as it is far too good to be just left as real life. Whatever side you come from or party you support it is just apolitically a great satire in action full of twists and turns they would call improbable if made up.

They might even add an extra series of The Queen on Netflix just to cover it.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

But this is obviously bollocks, otherwise positives would be simply and directly proportional to test rates.

If you only used a CT of 25, almost all the positives would be positive AND would likely be infectious, which is surely what you want to know? Not that you’ve got traces of a dead, non-infectious virus from 3 months ago, meaning you’re off work again.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

If you only used a CT of 25, almost all the positives would be positive AND would likely be infectious, which is surely what you want to know? Not that you’ve got traces of a dead, non-infectious virus from 3 months ago, meaning you’re off work again.

Nice deflection. Your claim was bollocks, wasn't it

 

[peter101]

Lateral Flow Tests, agreed by PHE as 99.7% accurate, show 80% fewer cases in Liverpool v. Govt standard PCR tests. First major comparison, shows whole Govt strategy possibly based on flawed data (as many been saying for months)
This news has just broken now
As regards the nurses people just saying i know a few and they said they are taking the vaccine
Well they probably will say that in public or they would likely lose their jobs.
What they believe in private may be different. Remember a steady secure salary is a good incentive to keep tight lipped

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

So 14% @peter101

Or in your small brain, half.

And if you read the Nursing Times survey details it was primarily based on flu vaccine which is very different to the Covid issue because the flu jab is marketed mostly for elderly people and a lot of front-line health workers develop their own natural immunity for things like flu. Some of the reasons given for not taking the flu jab included things like "not being able to get time off work".

 

[03 March 2002]

But this is obviously bollocks, otherwise positives would be simply and directly proportional to test rates.

It's laughable that people think there isn't a standard protocol outlining the CT threshold.

The thought of an egotistical operator going...one more...one more...one more...okay we're good.

 

[kaz7]

I thought you wanted to follow the science? Glasgow has been locked down, cases are falling but NS decides that means more restrictions. Do you not understand that for people to follow the rules they need to understand what needs to happen for them to have been deemed successful. If the politicians just make it up, the compliance will fall off even more.

You have to have more than one weeks data in a pandemic , testing depends on. many things, people put too much store in those numbers , hosp admissions, icu and deaths are what to go on and the ONS said today there is a 40% increase in deaths on the last week and in all areas, honestly if people dont uderstand why the restrictions are in to keep it low then i give up , the winter was always going to be bad as all the big experts said it from the start and i got regularly battered for

COVID-19: Weekly deaths rise by 1,937 in England and Wales as total nears 60,000

Every region of England and Wales saw an increase in the number of coronavirus related deaths compared to the week before.

news.sky.com

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Lateral Flow Tests, agreed by PHE as 99.7% accurate, show 80% fewer cases in Liverpool v. Govt standard PCR tests. First major comparison, shows whole Govt strategy possibly based on flawed data (as many been saying for months)
This news has just broken now
As regards the nurses people just saying i know a few and they said they are taking the vaccine
Well they probably will say that in public or they would likely lose their jobs.
What they believe in private may be different. Remember a steady secure salary is a good incentive to keep tight lipped

What's your motive for commenting on this forum which you only joined a week ago? You truly are a piece of work.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Moron ? He is a brilliant doctor

Watch the show.
He’s thicker than my Yorkshire terrier.