They are probably as balanced as the bloke that called them 'bastards'. Sometimes in the absence of a discernible middle it's easier to listen to the loons on either side and name your own mind up.Balanced reflection by the Bruges Group? You do make me chuckle (sometimes).
'The Bruges Group captured the spirit of the increasingly Eurosceptic Conservative Party of the late 1980s and early 1990s, becoming a rallying point for Conservative Maastricht rebels'.
Weren't they who he described as 'Bastards"?
Just who you want to write a 'factual and balanced reflection of Major's attitude to EU'
Ah, the Bruges group bastards.Genuinely surprised to see your reaction to this guff from the utterly two-faced buffoon. Someone the description 'the empty suit' was surely coined for.
Read those comments again with the realisation of the lies that he told whilst in office - and - to get into office
This man - someone that was so committed to the EU's dreams of federalism he was willing to bankrupt the UK to keep us locked in - and he came fucking close
Having seen such a reaction of shock to some Tories having the whip removed by the PM - I am surprised to see some teary eyed references to Major from other posters (not you) on these pages - he was a proper charlatan, but people are very 'flexible' when it suits
There are so many people that could have expressed those views with credibility - but not this utter ****
Probably too long a read for most - but this I feel is a quite factual and balanced reflection of Major's attitude to EU federalism and his willingness to damage the country in pursuit of it:
Another **** that had only disdain for the voting public
You’ll have to be careful you don’t end up with splinters in your arse the amount of time you spend sitting on the fence.They are probably as balanced as the bloke that called them 'bastards'. Sometimes in the absence of a discernible middle it's easier to listen to the loons on either side and name your own mind up.
What a load of shit.Genuinely surprised to see your reaction to this guff from the utterly two-faced buffoon. Someone the description 'the empty suit' was surely coined for.
Read those comments again with the realisation of the lies that he told whilst in office - and - to get into office
This man - someone that was so committed to the EU's dreams of federalism he was willing to bankrupt the UK to keep us locked in - and he came fucking close
Having seen such a reaction of shock to some Tories having the whip removed by the PM - I am surprised to see some teary eyed references to Major from other posters (not you) on these pages - he was a proper charlatan, but people are very 'flexible' when it suits
There are so many people that could have expressed those views with credibility - but not this utter ****
Probably too long a read for most - but this I feel is a quite factual and balanced reflection of Major's attitude to EU federalism and his willingness to damage the country in pursuit of it:
Another **** that had only disdain for the voting public
Those and Porsche.Buttered parsnips?
My one vice :-)
‘Probably’? Well are they or aren’t they as balanced? Why don’t you give us your opinion?They are probably as balanced as the bloke that called them 'bastards'. Sometimes in the absence of a discernible middle it's easier to listen to the loons on either side and name your own mind up.
I think major talks a lot of sense actually, but also don't consider him to be objective. No problem with the bloke being a europhile if that's what rings his bell but let's just be clear that he is just that and not an objective bystander.‘Probably’? Well are they or aren’t they as balanced? Why don’t you give us your opinion?
I happen to think Major is more balanced than a Questionable tory right wing think tank . What do you think?
Well of course he is. Who said otherwise?I think major talks a lot of sense actually, but also don't consider him to be objective. No problem with the bloke being a europhile if that's what rings his bell but let's just be clear that he is just that and not an objective bystander.
Genuinely surprised to see your reaction to this guff from the utterly two-faced buffoon. Someone the description 'the empty suit' was surely coined for.
Read those comments again with the realisation of the lies that he told whilst in office - and - to get into office
This man - someone that was so committed to the EU's dreams of federalism he was willing to bankrupt the UK to keep us locked in - and he came fucking close
Having seen such a reaction of shock to some Tories having the whip removed by the PM - I am surprised to see some teary eyed references to Major from other posters (not you) on these pages - he was a proper charlatan, but people are very 'flexible' when it suits
There are so many people that could have expressed those views with credibility - but not this utter ****
Probably too long a read for most - but this I feel is a quite factual and balanced reflection of Major's attitude to EU federalism and his willingness to damage the country in pursuit of it:
Another **** that had only disdain for the voting public
Ah, the Bruges group bastards.
Disdain for the public? The public that in 1992 voted for Major's manifesto that (inter alia) said:
"Our priorities will be:....
To complete the single market and extend it to the seven countries of EFTA - Over half our trade is with the rest of the Community. The single market will create an open market of 350 million customers for British goods and services. To complete the single market we shall aim to:
open up the market for life insurance to free competition;
liberalise air travel to bring down air fares in Europe closer to those in America;
free up the shipping and road transport markets so that British operators can carry freely within the EC....
"In due course, we will move to the narrow bands of the ERM. We will play our full part in the design and discussion of monetary institutions for Europe. When or if other members of the EC move to a monetary union with a single currency, we will take our own unfettered decision on whether to join. That decision will be taken by the United Kingdom Parliament."
I detect hypocrisy. What happened to the will of the people?
Edited.Are you actually trying to imply that people who vote conservative ..... Can read?
Are you actually trying to imply that people who vote conservative ..... read the manifesto?
Thanks - first smile I have had since the matchThe question of had the Brexit Referendum been narrowly won by remain if of course moot.
But in any case we would have ended up where we are as the money and influence behind leaving is/was huge and they would not have stopped.
Those on here who believe they made a free choice after examining the facts are kidding themselves.
Particularly deluded is the poster who keeps saying everything will remain the same. If that were true why leave ? Of course it’s not true, we will all feel the negative effects, some greater than others.
All we can do now is sit back and watch the shitshow
I think that this is a really balanced and realistic post.Literally no one to any degree outside of bluemoon politics ever mentions it, my wife’s a remainer and we don’t talk about it in any length. She thinks its daft I don’t but think this govt will make a cock of it. Mates hardly bother neither do work mates. We certainly never argue or try to change each other’s point of view.
It is what it is we all just get on with it. Even when it’s on the news we just sigh and wait for the next story.
Good grief. Coming on to talk about Remain posters who like to reaffirm their views with like-minded posters - by commending a post from a like-minded poster, both saying that no-one in the real world is talking about it.I think that this is a really balanced and realistic post.
What you are saying is, my guess I admit, likely the experience of the vast majority of people - including posters on here.
The main Remain posters seem to haunt all the political threads and they come across to me as akin to political activists - I would expect that they haunt other places as well to ensure that they can reaffirm their views with like-minded people
But back in the real world - most people are not obsessing about Brexit and are not greatly impacted by it
Back on the 'deal' though - I have been saying for months that we need Johnson to keep the fuck out of the negotiations. I do worry though that he will get involved and fuck up the good work of Frost.
Hope I am wrong
Surely you don’t think Frost gets to act unilaterally in these negotiations?! The second Johnson demands a deal (as he surely will) then what Frost thinks is completely irrelevant.Back on the 'deal' though - I have been saying for months that we need Johnson to keep the fuck out of the negotiations. I do worry though that he will get involved and fuck up the good work of Frost.
Hope I am wrong
I think it's reasonable to assume Frost will be acting on the PM's wishes. This is backed up by the example of Theresa May who was quick to either overrule or replace her negotiators if she felt they departed from her wishes.Surely you don’t think Frost gets to act unilaterally in these negotiations?! The second Johnson demands a deal (as he surely will) then what Frost thinks is completely irrelevant.
Agreed, it’s nonsensical to think that Johnson would “keep the fuck out of negotiations” at this late stage.I think it's reasonable to assume Frost will be acting on the PM's wishes. This is backed up by the example of Theresa May who was quick to either overrule or replace her negotiators if she felt they departed from her wishes.
I think once a deal is agreed, as it surely will be, both sides will agree to an extension of the transition period, probably citing Covid as a reason. The arch Brexiteers won’t be happy, but will have to swallow it I guess.One thing I'm not clear on and I'd be interested to hear if anyone else is - what at this stage are the chances of getting any deal through Parliament in time for Dec 31st? Even with the large tory majority, I'm just not sure there are enough (parliamentary) working days left this year to get any sort of legislation through?