Spurs (A) - Post-Match Thread

11th in the table, 3 wins in 8 games and a minus goal difference tells you they may not be basing this on drama and more on fact.
Like I said a lot of drama queens like yourself. You obviously don’t remember a certain Mr Clarke and a few others of that ilk. That’s when you can be be a drama queen but certainly not now. Very spoilt some of our fans
 
He inherited from Pellegrini and his best mate a squad with 4 full backs with a combined age approaching 140 and a past-it Yaya, so he gets a pass on that year tbf.
Since then, though, it’s all on him and his best mate. No excuses. Its their squad.
He has been handed perfect conditions that any other coach would dream of. Huge investment and a club he can shape as his own with zero internal pressure.
He can’t take credit for the successes without also taking responsibility for the failures. And for the last 18 months he has failed miserably.
Two legendary seasons but two absolute skip fires. And this one is already heading towards the latter rather than the former.
So I’m genuinely interested how the acolytes can defend this last 18 months
Exactly 2 league titles out of 5, 1 FA Cup, horrendous champions league results( given the squads) and a few league cups is not that great really all things considered.
 
Great post. Replacing Yaya, Vinnie, Zaba, David & Aguero for what they gave us is going to take time. Vinnie is the big loss, he always had a presence and we have lacked that since he left. David this season is a massive loss, he was perfect against sides that parked the bus. I still think Foden is the man for his job, just wish Pep would take the leash off him.

I can still see us getting a top three finish, some time soon it will click again, hopefully at home next week to Burnley it clicks. If we get a early goal there anything could happen.
If only we had, say, a director of football on £2million a year to plan ahead and identify these problems. And maybe recruit players good enough to replace our ageing legends
 
I've been critical at times - we all have over the years. We've just had a few years of the greatest football in Prem history - against a background of 16 billionaire/multibillionaire Prem owners. We ain't going to have it all our own way indefinitely. The team in its various incarnations in the last 10 years, has given us more than we dreamed of. Now we ain't winning as often - we're gassed out out having had no break. Hardly a cause to turn on the team and Pep. If that's what floats anyone's boat, so be it. The team that deserves to be slagged off by its fans is the one that spends unreal amounts year in, year out, plays miserable football and wins f*ck all - and plays in red. Slagging our team off in these circumstances makes us all look like a bunch of spoilt twats.

What the hell has it got to do with United? I’m going to concentrate on my team not think about someone else’s.
 
Since I’m Pep
Can you enlighten me what plan B is I might use it for the next game /)
I remember the dark days when we would have 34 per cent possession and 4 shots to the opponent's 22 and occasionally win 2 - 0 at home with the match reports saying we were lucky. How can we lose when we have 22 shots to Spurs' 4 and totally dominate the possession on their patch ?
I’m well acquainted with those days myself.

The media perception after today’s match will most likely be,
Jose masterclass,
Spurs deserved it,
City a shambles,
can’t defend,
£100m in centre halves.
City can’t score,
Pep can’t coach,
Sterling’s a cheat.
But none of them will say City deserved more or Spurs were lucky.

A stark contrast to the perception that would’ve been spun during the dark days you mentioned in your post. A poor city team in the 90s and 00s would’ve been deemed as lucky with a 2-0 win after being battered.

But today; perception is everything, and it can be spun by enough media shite-hawks regurgitating it on repeat. It’s a fucking tiresome process we have to endure these days mate
 
Apart from Mahrez being picked and the injuries or lack of match fitness I thought the team picked was as strong a team as we could put on the pitch.

Having said that, every team in every league know our Krytonite.

They know if they sit back and throw 2 lines of 4 tightly together we will struggle to get through there lines. We also allow both fullbacks to venture forward which allow us to get countered with pace. They know if they sit there long enough we will lose possession and they will be able to attack our stretched defense. IMO Kyle Walker must be used to defend and be part of the last line of defense utilising his electric pace, Not as an attacking option which the vast majority of times comes to nothing.

Most importantly we need a defensive coach because we are absolutely fucking dire at defending. I`m of the opinion that who ever we buy in defense we will turn to shit because of our system.

Because we are so frail in defense it means the opponents can afford to sit and wait for the missed pass which lets them in.

Even Port Vale used this ploy against us.
 
Was furious with pep during that game but it didn’t last long. Footballs all a bit meh this year. I still think we’ve got enough to stay up.
p.s. all those saying they hope we don’t sign Messi because he won’t improve us??? Mmmmm
What was it about last year then ? the mighty centurions is long gone and we like to point out to our neighbours when they talk about there title wins History and the past . We have regressed so much in the last 18 months that’s it’s gonna take a massive attacking rebuild to get us there again which the usual blue tinted glasses brigade will cry bullshit but it’s the truth and pep will now have to earn his money and mantle as the best in the world .
 
It’s not being a bad fan to be a bit worried at present. We have only played well in 20min or so spells in games in all seasons. Lots of injury Covid and pre-season reasons of course but the team isn’t playing well and it doesn’t look like it is getting fixed.

we were very soft last season too
 
Fernandinho did it.

Instead of going for someone similar we went for someone who would stand out in La Liga.

He's too slow and his nice passing doesn't make up for his lack of pace, he doesn't control midfield and in this team with a high line is continually outrun from midfield.

And today was against a team that allowed him to have the ball. Against a team that presses he is even worse.
I pointed out he wasn’t as mobile as Fernandinho, we were also a different proposition then, teams would be afraid to commit as many men forward for fear of us breaking on them with pace, so it’s difficult to make that comparison!

Not many cases there to suggest he was as atrocious as you said he was tonight.
 
1st half controlled it .... left-back goes AWOL Eddie brainfart 0.1
2nd half controlled it ....right back goes AWOL Eddie brainfart 0.2
75% possession but committed 78% of the fouls WTF
Harry Kane is very very very good at the dark arts ( see also Salah, Mane, Vardy & the whole United Squad)
Mike Dean gives every team we play 5 soft fouls to every one he gives for us.
Wolves away looks about as good as it gets.
Every game seems like a scripted WWE royal rumble and guess which team gets a ladder thrown at it from a great height every week?
If Paul Bearer polishing his Urn was sat next to Jose on the bench would anybody be surprised?
 
I stayed away from the internet all day to wait and watch this with my old man. In hindsight we probably could have found a better use of time...

I think the most damning thing I can say is I thought we actually looked a bit improved in this match...and a 2-0 loss still felt deserved.

For two seasons now we've just been ... bleh. Really lacking intensity and creativity. And I'm not sure how to fix it but missing out on the champions league could have some very serious consequences In general, Peps tactics feel very stale and he seems so lethargic and reluctant to make adjustments in game compared to a few seasons ago. And the squad in general feels like a collection of decent players rather than a cohesive, free-flowing unit. Perhaps most importantly we're desperately lacking game changers, especially with an out of form KDB.

All in all the sky isn't falling but this is certainly a frustrating team at the moment. I think we need another strong window to turn this around completely but we desperately need to improve soon. At the very least we should not be behind fucking United in the table right now.
 
You have your opinion & I respect it but unfortunately Rodri isnt good enough
A. Under Pressure
B. Cant get back to block
C. Does not show for the ball unless he has 10 yards of freedom
D. Slows play

Now his good points

A. Looks great playing against poor opposition
B. Neat with his short passing when ball at his feet

Thats me now struggling to find anything posditive against top teams

£62m along with Mendy poor signings
Yes, like yon say we have opinions. Though mine were based purely on tonight’s game when I was asked what did he do well tonight ?! Yours seem to be general points ?? I’ve never lauded him as a top player ideal for our team playing this formation, I just happen to think he was probably our best performer tonight.

Furthermore, thought he was excellent when he was under pressure tonight, always shrugged them off and never gave the ball away.
 
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Apart from Mahrez being picked and the injuries or lack of match fitness I thought the team picked was as strong a team as we could put on the pitch.

Having said that, every team in every league know our Krytonite.

They know if they sit back and throw 2 lines of 4 tightly together we will struggle to get through there lines. We also allow both fullbacks to venture forward which allow us to get countered with pace. They know if they sit there long enough we will lose possession and they will be able to attack our stretched defense. IMO Kyle Walker must be used to defend and be part of the last line of defense utilising his electric pace, Not as an attacking option which the vast majority of times comes to nothing.

Most importantly we need a defensive coach because we are absolutely fucking dire at defending. I`m of the opinion that who ever we buy in defense we will turn to shit because of our system.

Because we are so frail in defense it means the opponents can afford to sit and wait for the missed pass which lets them in.

Even Port Vale used this ploy against us.
Agree with most of that except Phil Foden says hi
 

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