COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Bluesince1979]

Funny isn’t it? Meeting up with another household or two is reckless yet at the same time we apparently aren’t in proper lockdown. What is a proper lockdown if meeting up with another household or two is seen as so liberating?

Propaganda at its finest. Just call it something else

 

[cleavers]

I am missing your point? Of course there is a lockdown - Manchester is virtually empty every day?

Still plenty going about their normal business where I am, queuing half way round Morrisons yesterday, traffic is lower than normal, but a lot higher than in April.

 

[worsleyweb]

Still plenty going about their normal business where I am, queuing half way round Morrisons yesterday, traffic is lower than normal, but a lot higher than in April

yes it is more than April but still a great effort.

 

[ctwrd]

Still plenty going about their normal business where I am, queuing half way round Morrisons yesterday, traffic is lower than normal, but a lot higher than in April.

Perhaps people should starve

 

[cleavers]

Perhaps people should starve

Where did I say that ? People have to shop obviously, but there were no queues 3 weeks ago, so why now ?

 

[purplenose]

Perhaps people should starve

Nobody is suggesting that.

That said by going in a supermarket and observing the absolute lack of common sense exhibited by so many I have to say that that 25% only acting like twats at Xmas is optimistic in the extreme. I doubt starvation will be an issue.

 

[Tarzan41]

Same with me re the dentist, no idea when they’re opening again.

I’ve been for a routine check up in Stockport today.

 

[ctwrd]

Nobody is suggesting that.

That said by going in a supermarket and observing the absolute lack of common sense exhibited by so many I have to say that that 25% only acting like twats at Xmas is optimistic in the extreme. I doubt starvation will be an issue.

Perhaps Morrison’s is letting less in.

not sure how queuing to get in the shop is a lack of common sense.

sojnds like distancing to me

 

[Manc in London]

Not such a good day for the NW today. Back up to the most cases in the UK.

However, only as the other regions have fallen more as the NW has another small fall too.

Though this shift from 4th to 1st increases my suspicions about the testing today. As it it is across the board and not reflecting areas that have seemed to be more impacted than others in recent days.


London 1409 - big drop from 2023

Midlands 1244 - big drop from 2020

North East 598 - down from 732

Yorkshire 1335 - down from 1667.


And North West falls too - but by a smaller degree to 1469 from 1573.

Expect a sharpish rise tomorrow for all areas including London due to data collection issues. However, most of the worst performing London boroughs have seen a drop in cases in the last week. Pubs, restaurants and public travel seemed busier in the days preceding the move to Tier 3. Maybe last week was the tail of the infections from then.

The pandemic moving south? In relation to the UK, it started here. The recent few weeks has been a second peak.

 

[cleavers]

Perhaps Morrison’s is letting less in.

It isn't, just more turning up, no doubt stocking up on everything they'll throw away in a month's time.

not sure how queuing to get in the shop is a lack of common sense.

I didn't say it was if you're referring to my comments, it's when they get in there that the problems start.

 

[Manc in London]

For many, many, months now, I do not understand why GP surgeries are not sending nurses to everyone who tells them they are ill to check there oxygenation levels.
They do in Germany and it is probably the reason why they have a much lower death rate than the UK. Early diagnosis = earlier hospital treatment = better chance of survival.
All GPS seem to be interested in is building watch towers and putting up barbed wire around their surgeries to keep patients out.

Getting hold of a GP has been impossible for us. Both my missus and I have been unable to get through and emails are not responded to. Just had to go through shit loads of co-codamol instead. Neither case urgent but needed to see a doctor. Dread to think of those suffering with something worse.

Missus was supposed to have had a 'woman's test'. Not heard anything. Does not bare thinking about what has happened or will happen to some of those who have missed tests.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

Well I spent 4 months locked away at home on my own, severely ill with a Crohns flare up and ridiculously depressed. I am currently locked away at home on my own again after getting the letter off the government. I am going to my parents on Xmas day and I am going to enjoy every last minute of it.

 

[artfuldodger]

Getting hold of a GP has been impossible for us. Both my missus and I have been unable to get through and emails are not responded to. Just had to go through shit loads of co-codamol instead. Neither case urgent but needed to see a doctor. Dread to think of those suffering with something worse.

Missus was supposed to have had a 'woman's test'. Not heard anything. Does not bare thinking about what has happened or will happen to some of those who have missed tests.

My Mum has slowly gone blind due to cataracts. Waiting list is supposed to be 18 weeks max. Currently in mums area, 38 weeks minimum. She’s had an appointment to go private, but they also have a waiting list. Apparently going blind through cataracts doesnt count as an emergency procedure. Prioritising Covid above all else will have long term consequences.

 

[twosips]

Anyone else dreading Christmas? Just got an awful lot worse now the rules have changed for me personally. Family disputes are inevitable. I don't want to put my parents at risk, so i'll likely stay outside if i see them and just accept it's gonna be a bit naff. My brother is a conspiracy theorist who thinks the whole thing is a load of bollocks, annoyingly, and has been in their house plenty of times. I'm so tired of it all that I just can't be arsed arguing about it anymore. My mum has promised he always sits at a distance etc, and I believe her on that, but that's almost pointless given he's in the house so what fuck all use is the distance bit. I know he'll be expecting a normal-ish christmas. As will my sister given she's got kids. Especially given the rule changes and the allowed bubbling...and now it's gonna me as the big bad guy being awkward and being the only one not going indoors as we do every christmas day.

It'll inevitably cause huge fucking arguments and I just can't be arsed. And then a part of me thinks 'maybe I could see them and it'd be okay', and another part goes 'yeah, good luck with living with that insane feeling of guilt if one of them catches it and something terrible happens'...and then another part goes 'imagine you didn't hug them and celebrate christmas and something happened in January to them'. Plus my missus won't be seeing her mum as she's high at risk. So it'd be selfish of me. Just a shite rock and a hard place. I know people will be in worse situations, but I seriously cba. Just wish they'd not changed anything so I at least had 'rules are rules' to fall back on.

Sorry, just venting as I'm exhausted and this whole thing is driving me mad. Constant worrying and that shite foreboding feeling of a huge argument on the horizon with absolutely zero chance of it resolving. Unreasonable, childish family, sadly! Wish christmas would just fuck off this year, and I usually love it.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

We’ve seen these steep falls from very high second wave peaks around europe too though .While I wouldn’t start to try to explain them, there is something going on with this second wave

Something slightly different seems to be happening as the drop off in cases appears to be possibly more sudden despite the second lock downs generally being not as comprehensive as the first. France is only just 2 weeks past its peak 7day average cases of over 56000 and the levels are so low they are anouncing a lifting of lockdown measures.

 

[somapop]

Anyone else dreading Christmas? Just got an awful lot worse now the rules have changed for me personally. Family disputes are inevitable. I don't want to put my parents at risk, so i'll likely stay outside if i see them and just accept it's gonna be a bit naff. My brother is a conspiracy theorist who thinks the whole thing is a load of bollocks, annoyingly, and has been in their house plenty of times. I'm so tired of it all that I just can't be arsed arguing about it anymore. My mum has promised he always sits at a distance etc, and I believe her on that, but that's almost pointless given he's in the house so what fuck all use is the distance bit. I know he'll be expecting a normal-ish christmas. As will my sister given she's got kids. Especially given the rule changes and the allowed bubbling...and now it's gonna me as the big bad guy being awkward and being the only one not going indoors as we do every christmas day.

It'll inevitably cause huge fucking arguments and I just can't be arsed. And then a part of me thinks 'maybe I could see them and it'd be okay', and another part goes 'yeah, good luck with living with that insane feeling of guilt if one of them catches it and something terrible happens'...and then another part goes 'imagine you didn't hug them and celebrate christmas and something happened in January to them'. Plus my missus won't be seeing her mum as she's high at risk. So it'd be selfish of me. Just a shite rock and a hard place. I know people will be in worse situations, but I seriously cba. Just wish they'd not changed anything so I at least had 'rules are rules' to fall back on.

Sorry, just venting as I'm exhausted and this whole thing is driving me mad. Constant worrying and that shite foreboding feeling of a huge argument on the horizon with absolutely zero chance of it resolving. Unreasonable, childish family, sadly! Wish christmas would just fuck off this year, and I usually love it.

Weird one for me.
Last Christmas (steady George fans) was the last with my family as I moved out afterwards.
Not only that, but for over 2-3 weeks everyone was really ill with that coughing flu (it was literally the house of the dead). Tempers were frayed enough but everyone (bar my youngest...who ironically had the flu jab). It was a living hell. Then the year got worse.

God knows what I'm going to do this year. Just want to see the end of this torrid episode and look to rebuild in 2020.
Might go for a long run I think, maybe have a drink (I've barely drank anything this year).

 

[oman0115]

Getting hold of a GP has been impossible for us. Both my missus and I have been unable to get through and emails are not responded to. Just had to go through shit loads of co-codamol instead. Neither case urgent but needed to see a doctor. Dread to think of those suffering with something worse.

Missus was supposed to have had a 'woman's test'. Not heard anything. Does not bare thinking about what has happened or will happen to some of those who have missed tests.

we will never know the true number of people who’ve died from missed appointments, cancelled treatments, fear of reaching out for medical treatment and neglect in the name of covid. I needed to see the doctor a few months, not a life threatening thing but still a painful one. Appointment cancelled and I got a lousy phone call instead which I’ve not heard anything from since!

 

[Manc in London]

My Mum has slowly gone blind due to cataracts. Waiting list is supposed to be 18 weeks max. Currently in mums area, 38 weeks minimum. She’s had an appointment to go private, but they also have a waiting list. Apparently going blind through cataracts doesnt count as an emergency procedure. Prioritising Covid above all else will have long term consequences.

That's sad to hear. I hope your mum gets treated soon.

 

[twosips]

My Mum has slowly gone blind due to cataracts. Waiting list is supposed to be 18 weeks max. Currently in mums area, 38 weeks minimum. She’s had an appointment to go private, but they also have a waiting list. Apparently going blind through cataracts doesnt count as an emergency procedure. Prioritising Covid above all else will have long term consequences.

I didn't see your post before having a whine about christmas. I feel like a dick now. sorry mate. Shite that. Best of luck to your mum. No one should have to go through that.

 

[Phil1]

Anyone else dreading Christmas? Just got an awful lot worse now the rules have changed for me personally. Family disputes are inevitable. I don't want to put my parents at risk, so i'll likely stay outside if i see them and just accept it's gonna be a bit naff. My brother is a conspiracy theorist who thinks the whole thing is a load of bollocks, annoyingly, and has been in their house plenty of times. I'm so tired of it all that I just can't be arsed arguing about it anymore. My mum has promised he always sits at a distance etc, and I believe her on that, but that's almost pointless given he's in the house so what fuck all use is the distance bit. I know he'll be expecting a normal-ish christmas. As will my sister given she's got kids. Especially given the rule changes and the allowed bubbling...and now it's gonna me as the big bad guy being awkward and being the only one not going indoors as we do every christmas day.

It'll inevitably cause huge fucking arguments and I just can't be arsed. And then a part of me thinks 'maybe I could see them and it'd be okay', and another part goes 'yeah, good luck with living with that insane feeling of guilt if one of them catches it and something terrible happens'...and then another part goes 'imagine you didn't hug them and celebrate christmas and something happened in January to them'. Plus my missus won't be seeing her mum as she's high at risk. So it'd be selfish of me. Just a shite rock and a hard place. I know people will be in worse situations, but I seriously cba. Just wish they'd not changed anything so I at least had 'rules are rules' to fall back on.

Sorry, just venting as I'm exhausted and this whole thing is driving me mad. Constant worrying and that shite foreboding feeling of a huge argument on the horizon with absolutely zero chance of it resolving. Unreasonable, childish family, sadly! Wish christmas would just fuck off this year, and I usually love it.

This might sound like a simple solution mate, but why don’t you just get a test on xmas eve or day before and if it’s negative you can see them safe in the knowledge you won’t be passing it on to them.
If that’s all you’re worried about for a £100 or so you can take away much of the stress this is causing you.
Obviously it doesn’t take away the risk of others bringing it into the house but your conscience will be clear at least.