Keir Starmer

Fode N The Hole said:
As far as I recall whenever she was asked about it was in the political arena- It wouldn't serve any purpose talk about nuanced opinions from over 30 years and would only be falling in to a political trap. Talking about hairstyles is a fudge but a necessary fudge in the world in which we live. If you can produce any interviews in where Dianne Abbott goes into this in detail maybe it would be possible to form a more accurate of the interpretation the reasoning behind her views. Otherwise, without asking her ourselves we can't be sure. I am not at all bothered what the mystical majority of the country think about quotes from an interview or pamphlet that they have never read in context.

Your comparison to those two men is absurd. It's quite clear from watching their speeches exactly what they mean. They don't speak in nuanced language so it's easy to follow the reasoning behind it. The lack of nuance or sophisticated dog whistle is one of the things that the establishment found so reviling about them. Even sympathisers of a certain political class would have immediately distanced themselves from them because the rhetorical language they use exceeds even their extreme beliefs. You are picking over the lines from quoted from pamphlets and interviews 30+ years ago yet you didn't produce them, and I doubt you had even read either of those documents (in complete form) before you took the view that she hated this country.

It's quite a stretch to take the view that Dianne Abbott is an ethno-nationalist. Her politics are more rooted in class than race, but it's not unreasonable for her as an ethnic minority to push issues like diversity and representation.

I have spent most of my life in a tory/lib-dem marginal constituency, so by all likelihood I am not going to be voting labour for as long as I reside here. I have also never been a member of the labour party.
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1. If she didn't support the IRA, she could have just said "I never supported the IRA" but she didn't because, against the backdrop of her 'every defeat for the British state in NI' quote and probably many other things she's said (no, I don't have the quotes from that time btw), it would be a pretty ridiculous position to take.

2. 'White people love playing divide and rule'. Is that nuance? 'I'm black not British'. Is that nuance? 'Every defeat for the British state is a victory for us all' Is that nuance? She speaks in no more nuance that Mosley and Robinson and if you want to make out that she's not a racist, ethno-nationalist who has a dislike for her country then go for it but those three quotes came from her mouth and they are the very definition of racism, ethno-nationalism, and anti-Britishness so I don't think you're going to kid anyone other than a few lifelong Labour supporters.
 
Fame Monster said:
1. If she didn't support the IRA, she could have just said "I never supported the IRA" but she didn't because, against the backdrop of her 'every defeat for the British state in NI' quote and probably many other things she's said (no, I don't have the quotes from that time btw), it would be a pretty ridiculous position to take.

2. 'White people love playing divide and rule'. Is that nuance? 'I'm black not British'. Is that nuance? 'Every defeat for the British state is a victory for us all' Is that nuance? She speaks in no more nuance that Mosley and Robinson and if you want to make out that she's not a racist, ethno-nationalist who has a dislike for her country then go for it but those three quotes came from her mouth and they are the very definition of racism, ethno-nationalism, and anti-Britishness so I don't think you're going to kid anyone other than a few lifelong Labour supporters.
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Obviously she was never going to answer in those terms because political interviews are more the optics and how you come across than the content of what you say. The smart thing to do was say she had moved on.

If you seriously believe Abbotts clumsy overgeneralised remarks on twitter are comparable to Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood then there isn't much point continuing the conversation.

Have you considered becoming a content writer for Guido Fawkes?
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Obviously she was never going to answer in those terms because political interviews are more the optics and how you come across than the content of what you say. The smart thing to do was say she had moved on.

If you seriously believe Abbotts clumsy overgeneralised remarks on twitter are comparable to Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood then there isn't much point continuing the conversation.

Have you considered becoming a content writer for Guido Fawkes?
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1. The optics look a hell of a lot better if you deny you ever supported the IRA!

2. The reason I used the Powell analogy was because, like Abbott, he was an ethnonationalist, and to show just how ridiculous it looks to say 'Abbott actually loves her country' after an interview in which she refused to identify as British and said that 'every defeat for the British state is a victory for us all' in the same way, it would be ridiculous for someone to say, "well actually Powell likes ethnic minorities and that's why he's concerned about harm coming to them". I don't think Abbott's remarks stoked up the same level of hatred, no but you already knew that hence the strawman argument.

3. No I've not. Have you considered a placement working for Diane Abbott?
 
Fame Monster said:
1. The optics look a hell of a lot better if you deny you ever supported the IRA!

2. The reason I used the Powell analogy was because, like Abbott, he was an ethnonationalist, and to show just how ridiculous it looks to say 'Abbott actually loves her country' after an interview in which she refused to identify as British and said that 'every defeat for the British state is a victory for us all' in the same way, it would be ridiculous for someone to say, "well actually Powell likes ethnic minorities and that's why he's concerned about harm coming to them". I don't think Abbott's remarks stoked up the same level of hatred, no but you already knew that hence the strawman argument.

3. No I've not. Have you considered a placement working for Diane Abbott?
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I have an inkling that Fode maybe one of those biased Labour supporters you were talking about;-)
 
blueinsa said:
Have you considered letting on as to what your other username(s) was?
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You are mistaken, I have browsed the website for several years before I signed up for an account. But if you think you have evidence that supports your claim you are free to take it the site owner and moderators and report me for any perceived breach of rules.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
You are mistaken, I have browsed the website for several years before I signed up for an account. But if you think you have evidence that supports your claim you are free to take it the site owner and moderators and report me for any perceived breach of rules.
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I'm not arsed mate - good to have you back posting again. I thought you got a hard time before tbh.
 
Someone like Feinstein is "the wrong type of Jew". He's the type to overlook and excuse antisemitism. He's the type to put his loyalty to his "beloved leader", a demonstrable antisemite, way above his loyalty to his fellow Jews. As a Jew, you can be left-wing, you can criticise the Israeli government but you can't stand on the side of the antisemites or fail to recognise the damage and hurt they caused. That's what this prick is doing.

When the Nazis lined people up on the ramp at Auschwitz, they didn't ask them what type of Jew they were. "Progressive? OK, jump back on the train and you can go home". There was, to them, only one type.
 
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blueinsa said:
Have you considered letting on as to what your other username(s) was?
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You're way too mistrusting.

Have you never joined a football forum and immediately begin debating politics as your only motive before?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
You're way too mistrusting.

Have you never joined a football forum and immediately begin debating politics as your only motive before?
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I have, i joined Red Issue and chatted politics on there, they have a good solid ANTIFA following.
 
Rascal said:
Guido would be called left wing on here. I think it is good to have another lefty amongst us, there are not that many.
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Yeah but not writing 20 paragraph posts all the time.

Prefer to keep it simple myself

Tories are cunts
Blue labour are twats
Starmer is bland and snide.


None on here opposed to the left bother to read the reasoning put forward by any lefty anyway, keep it to small bullet point so they can keep up ;-)
 
urban genie said:
Yeah but not writing 20 paragraph posts all the time.

Prefer to keep it simple myself

Tories are cunts
Blue labour are twats
Starmer is bland and snide.


None on here opposed to the left bother to read the reasoning put forward by any lefty anyway, keep it to small bullet point so they can keep up ;-)
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Good advice that, I do get on a roll sometimes and forget the IQ of the average RW nutjob is lower than a cactus plant.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Someone like Feinstein is "the wrong type of Jew". He's the type to overlook and excuse antisemitism. He's the type to put his loyalty to his "beloved leader", a demonstrable antisemite, way above his loyalty to his fellow Jews. As a Jew, you can be left-wing, you can criticise the Israeli government but you can't stand on the side of the antisemites or fail to recognise the damage and hurt they caused. That's what this prick is doing.

When the Nazis lined people up on the ramp at Auschwitz, they didn't ask them what type of Jew they were. "Progressive? OK, jump back on the train and you can go home". There was, to them, only one type.
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I'm struggling with this labelling of Corbyn as anti semitic. Could you furnish me with the evidence?
 
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