Keir Starmer

Fame Monster said:
Have you come to a verdict yet about Corbyn?
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I've come to the conclusion he isn't AS. I've based this on the fact that we have pretty strong legislation in the UK to deal with those who are, and no one has yet come up with a substantive allegation against him and therefore no prosecution.
It all seems to be smoke - failing to say things, being friendly to people who might be connected to AS etc. Even Starmer and co struggled to come up with a reason to kick him out so had to let him back in.
 
Rascal said:
Gnasher jew is a fascist troll.

There is a fact for you. Yet you use him as some sort of stand up figure.

David Collier is Gnasher Jew, he is friends with Britain First activists and the EDL and is a Neo-Nazi sympathiser with links to South African white supremacist groups.

What Gnasher Jew says are facts are trolling. Look on online about him. The man is an utter ****.


I am sick of having to defend accusations made by trolls. A lot of what PB posted yesterday can be deconstructed and shown to be false. I spent 4 hours yesterday going through his post and researching what he had posted because i wanted to know what was fact and what was fiction because i am not antisemitic and i am against all forms of racism and discrimination and it saddens me to think people who are not these things being accused of it.

One of the accusations against a person had a Rabbi from Aberystwyth university who teaches about Judaism replying there is no way he was antisemitic.

Another accusation got Corbyn mixed up with his brother.

The mural, the painter himself said the painting was about capitalism and privilige and had no antisemitic intent.

I could go on, but the problem is if i do go on, i will be labelled antisemitic because i am denying or excusing its existence.

It is a systematic closing down of the left wing in this country. If we can not reply because of fear of accusation from organisations like the CAA (have you seen the charges they accuse people of?) then that threatens democratic discourse, which brings me back to Gnasher Jew the fascist. He wants to end democracy because he is a fascist twat and his poison has helped destroy many peoples reputations based on a pack of lies. Which brings me back to the point i made about the ETIHAD. If these lies are told often enough they become the truth.
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'Gnasher Jew' was a collective, in which Collier was involved. Collier is still a member of the Labour Party. He hasn't been suspended or expelled, either under Starmer or Corbyn, whereas many of the people you openly support have.

You've offered only the most vague, unsubstatiated and undocumented refutations of my charges, that make Rudy Guiliani & Sidney Powell look forensic and objective. The best you can do (after all that research) is say that the artist of the mural "didn't mean it to be antisemitic" (despite clearly naming prominent Jewish financiers it represented).

The Rabbi you mention is presumably Cohn-Sherbock, who (along with Corbyn) wrote in support of the notoriously antisemitic, Holocaust-denying vicar Steven Sizer.

You haven't commented on the words that came out of Corbyn's own mouth about Britih zionists (Jews) not have any sense of English irony. Perhaps you spemd onger researching.
 
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The last 10 pages or so show why Labour won’t defeat the Tories - to much infighting within the party and its voters.

they appoint someone like Corbyn - then there’s a real backlash about how far left he is, too much of a socialist, momentum getting carried away etc

Appoint someone like Starmer and it’s ‘he’s a Tory in disguise’ wants a new Labour and eradicate unions etc

No party leader will please - and that’s even before they have a chance of the wider electorate.

it’s a shame, I personally like Starmer - he has challenged this Goverment well and held them accountable whilst being level headed, calm and intelligent. But hey ho, according to the ‘real left wing’ of labour, he is out to destroy the ‘real Labour’ and we’ll label him ‘Keith’ too show how much we think of him.

bloody annoying - Tories can do as they please, fuck up at every turn and can have a good old laugh at the state of Labour and its voters.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
The last 10 pages or so show why Labour won’t defeat the Tories - to much infighting within the party and its voters.

they appoint someone like Corbyn - then there’s a real backlash about how far left he is, too much of a socialist, momentum getting carried away etc

Appoint someone like Starmer and it’s ‘he’s a Tory in disguise’ wants a new Labour and eradicate unions etc

No party leader will please - and that’s even before they have a chance of the wider electorate.

it’s a shame, I personally like Starmer - he has challenged this Goverment well and held them accountable whilst being very level headed, appears calm and intelligent. But hey ho, according to the ‘real left wing’ of labour, he is out to destroy the ‘real Labour’ and we’ll label him ‘Keith’ too show how much we think of him.

bloody annoying - Tories can do as they please, fuck up at every turn and can have a good old laugh at the state of Labour and its voters.
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Spot on - Starmer just as factional as Corbyn. Much as I didn't like blair he mastered uniting these factions and whatever end (or even middle) of the party their next leader comes from it needs to be someone who can do this. As you say, the only winners for the foreseeable are the conservatives.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
The last 10 pages or so show why Labour won’t defeat the Tories - to much infighting within the party and its voters.

they appoint someone like Corbyn - then there’s a real backlash about how far left he is, too much of a socialist, momentum getting carried away etc

Appoint someone like Staermer and it’s ‘he’s a Tory in disguise’ wants a new Labour and eradicate unions etc

No party leader will please - and that’s even before they have a chance of the wider electorate.

it’s a shame, I personally like Staermer a lot - he has challenged this Goverment well and held them accountable whilst being very level headed, appears calm and intelligent. But hey ho, according to the ‘real left wing’ of labour, he is out to destroy the ‘real Labour’ and we’ll label him ‘Keith’ too show how much we think of him.

bloody annoying - Tories can do as they please, fuck up at every turn and can have a good old laugh at the state of Labour and its voters.
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At the moment it seems too big a split to bring back together, logically you would think it’s best to break it up but from a voter point of view it helps the Tories which would be a disaster.

labour claims to be a broad church but at the moment they are sat on opposite pews throwing shit at each other.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Spot on - Starmer just as factional as Corbyn. Much as I didn't like blair he mastered uniting these factions and whatever end (or even middle) of the party their next leader comes from it needs to be someone who can do this. As you say, the only winners for the foreseeable are the conservatives.
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Starmer started a battle he didn't have to fight. I hope he did it deliberately, that would at least make sense, because if he didn't, then he's utterly inept.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Spot on - Starmer just as factional as Corbyn. Much as I didn't like blair he mastered uniting these factions and whatever end (or even middle) of the party their next leader comes from it needs to be someone who can do this. As you say, the only winners for the foreseeable are the conservatives.
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I think the environment Blair inhabited in 1994 was fairly different to that now. Not sure any Labour leader could unite the existing factions any time soon. Seems to be a pretty fragmented party at the moment.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Starmer started a battle he didn't have to fight. I hope he did it deliberately, that would at least make sense, because if he didn't, then he's utterly inept.
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I just think he was so focused on getting the leadership by whatever means necessary he never stopped to consider what he would end up leading. A bit naive to think the cliques and factionalism would dissipate once he took the helm.
 
Ric said:
I think the environment Blair inhabited in 1994 was fairly different to that now. Not sure any Labour leader could unite the existing factions any time soon. Seems to be a pretty fragmented party at the moment.
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chuck in the advent of social media and whoever is leader will get absolute pelters
 
Ric said:
I think the environment Blair inhabited in 1994 was fairly different to that now. Not sure any Labour leader could unite the existing factions any time soon. Seems to be a pretty fragmented party at the moment.
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Yes, I suppose a similar state to the early 80's under Kinnock / Foot with the SDP and Militant tendency types pulling in different directions.
 
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