Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

Isn't planning permission for flags and plaques on buildings a local planning issue? Unless of course the government ban it with .... Regulations!

Give it 24 hours and it will be a desk in a corridor with no wi-fi access...

Give it a full year and it will be an entire building with diplomatic status.

 

[west didsblue]

Give it 24 hours and it will be a desk in a corridor with no wi-fi access...

Give it a full year and it will be an entire building with diplomatic status.

Give it a full year and NI will formally be part of the EU!

 

[Vic]

Has French Mark been confirmed as the leading Tory in his fifties who has been accused of rape and is under investigation or has he been ruled out?

Not confirmed, just public knowledge. It's that new law of anonymity for rape suspects that the Tories have refused to pass (not an EU competence of course) but think should apply to public figures who have more of a reputation to lose. (NB I can see a case for anonymity of suspects, but it's not the law, and it's not sub judice, so I'm not quite sure why the media are holding the line.)

 

[hilts]

Change our crap system then. Permanent rule by MPs not elected by a majority.

Bit hard when people like you vote Labour and others vote Tory old bean. Democracy isn’t only about a majority(or not as is the case) giving consent for policy making but also getting rid of bad policies and those that make them.

From an electorates point of view we may have consented to certain governments and it can be argued(although falsely imho) that they agreed to the vast majority of rules the EU came up with but that doesn’t help us if we decide that we shouldn’t have put our trust in them to start with.

 

[Vic]

Bit hard when people like you vote Labour and others vote Tory old bean. Democracy isn’t only about a majority(or not as is the case) giving consent for policy making but also getting rid of bad policies and those that make them.

From an electorates point of view we may have consented to certain governments and it can be argued(although falsely imho) that they agreed to the vast majority of rules the EU came up with but that doesn’t help us if we decide that we shouldn’t have put our trust in them to start with.

I have no idea what that means. Gobbledegook of the week award.

 

[hilts]

The U.K. within the EU has a damn sight more ‘sovereignty‘ than Scotland within The U.K.
Scotland should choose which Union it is better aligned with. My view is that would be EU rather than a Tory dominated U.K.

So you basically want a federal Europe? Maybe a few Scottish flags waving about as a reminder maybe, but the reality is different. It’s nice someone has admitted who they want to be governed by.

 

[hilts]

I have no idea what that means. Gobbledegook of the week award.

You don’t see the irony of a retort “get rid of the crap system then” when you vote for a party that doesn’t wants electoral change?

That would be a start, if you don’t get the rest your mental ability isn’t my problem.

 

[BobKowalski]

So you basically want a federal Europe? Maybe a few Scottish flags waving about as a reminder maybe, but the reality is different. It’s nice someone has admitted who they want to be governed by.

Not sure how you got wanting a Federal Europe from ‘is better aligned’...

 

[Saddleworth2]

So you basically want a federal Europe? Maybe a few Scottish flags waving about as a reminder maybe, but the reality is different. It’s nice someone has admitted who they want to be governed by.

so we should just shut up and enjoy being governed by that set of c*nts knowing that there is nothing we can do to change it?

 

[hilts]

Not sure how you got wanting a Federal Europe from ‘is better aligned’...

Let’s be honest here for a change Scotland is under the influence mainly from England and the Eu. There maybe a bit of devolution and head patting going on. Yes you can make a few decisions on your own but thats about it. So being aligned with the EU and free from Westminster is just having one master rather than two.

People need to decide whose shitty stick they would like to be hit over the head with.

 

[Vic]

Don't worry, you're correct. The Monarchy states that the term Union Flag/Jack are both correct. The nonsense about it "only being called the 'Union Jack' when flown on the bow of a ship" is just that. The Admiralty has denied ever giving it that term as they call it the Union Jack/Flag no matter where it is flown on the ship.

Coupled with the fact that the "Jack" refers to Jacobus (James I/VII) latinised name. It was a daft conspiracy theory dreamt up in the mid 2000's and none of it was ever based on fact.

TL;DR, You're free to refer to the flag however you wish and anyone who tries to correct you on it is a tw@ :)

Conspiracy theory? It was just someone's mistake, fake news, that became accepted as fact, and a lot longer ago than the mid 2000s. Just like "Jack" refers to King James - more fake news (at least, there's no historic source to assert that).

 

[Vic]

So you basically want a federal Europe? Maybe a few Scottish flags waving about as a reminder maybe, but the reality is different. It’s nice someone has admitted who they want to be governed by.

And non sequitur of the week.

 

[hilts]

so we should just shut up and enjoy being governed by that set of c*nts knowing that there is nothing we can do to change it?

You wouldn’t know this obviously I think it was Magicpole who I discussed it with but if I was Scottish I would be going for independence but a ball ache it will be.

There is only one logical conclusion to this, countries in Europe should decide if they want to be in a federal Europe or not, if they do fine but stop playing at it. It’s a slow drip to getting there anyhow. I think with such a large population it would be a mistake but that’s just my opinion.

If people went this way and we had a European Parliament with proper democratic elections that’s fine. Unfortunately the smaller countries eventually would soon feel like Scotland do in our union. The big boys are getting all the benefits. Rinse and repeat.

 

[blueparrot]

Let’s be honest here for a change Scotland is under the influence mainly from England and the Eu. There maybe a bit of devolution and head patting going on. Yes you can make a few decisions on your own but that about it. So being aligned with the EU and free from Westminster is just having one master rather than two.

People need to decide whose shitty stick they would like to be hit over the head with.

No because being a self governing member of the EU is nothing at all like being a devolved region that’s told what grouping it can and can’t be a member of. Only those that convinced themselves the UK was controlled by the eu could think it was.
Is my life effected by decisions taken in London, yes it is. Did I ever , just once feel the eu unduly effected anything in my life that I have ever wanted to do. No can’t think of one instance in my 58 years.

 

[hilts]

so we should just shut up and enjoy being governed by that set of c*nts knowing that there is nothing we can do to change it?

Annoying when that happens maybe a referendum will sort it:-)

 

[Vic]

Can someone explain why Leavers keep going back to the referendum campaign about the march to a federal Europe? It isn't happening any time soon, even without the UK as a brake.

 

[BobKowalski]

Let’s be honest here for a change Scotland is under the influence mainly from England and the Eu. There maybe a bit of devolution and head patting going on. Yes you can make a few decisions on your own but thats about it. So being aligned with the EU and free from Westminster is just having one master rather than two.

People need to decide whose shitty stick they would like to be hit over the head with.

So, to be honest, you have no clue how the EU works.

 

[Vic]

No because being a self governing member of the EU is nothing at all like being a devolved region that’s told what grouping it can and can’t be a member of. Only those that convinced themselves the UK was controlled by the eu could think it was.
Is my life effected by decisions taken in London, yes it is. Did I ever , just once feel the eu unduly effected anything in my life that I have ever wanted to do. No can’t think of one instance in my 58 years.

I can think of lots of things in my life affected by the EU. All of them are good (at least the ones I can immediately think of). Even getting rid of that chunky dull black passport was a bonus.

 

[hilts]

No because being a self governing member of the EU is nothing at all like being a devolved region that’s told what grouping it can and can’t be a member of. Only those that convinced themselves the UK was controlled by the eu could think it was.
Is my life effected by decisions taken in London, yes it is. Did I ever , just once feel the eu unduly effected anything in my life that I have ever wanted to do. No can’t think of one instance in my 58 years.

That’s why you voted remain unfortunately for you the majority didn’t agree with that statement. 4608 pages and we still have to do this.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Can someone explain why Leavers keep going back to the referendum campaign about the march to a federal Europe? It isn't happening any time soon, even without the UK as a brake.

I'm not sure I'd be all that bothered about federalism if it was more honest about it, it's more the 'totalitarian tip-toe' from the early 70's trading agreement to the political monolith it now represents I find disconcerting and in many ways a little dishonest.