Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

Yes, fair enough. But why would you actually want it to get worse rather than better?

I think you credit me with greater powers that I actually posses, other than perhaps foresight and the ability to see reality.

I cannot actively make Brexit better or worse. I can confidently predict that if we raise barriers to trade, we will do less trade. I can predict that if we force solutions on unwilling countries in our own Union, or raise barriers between countries in our own Union. we will hasten the end of our Union. I can predict that if we force a separation with our European neighbours and seek to make sure it happens during a pandemic, when every country is suffering, we will earn the undying and embittered hostility from those nations for generations to come. For context, see the remarks from the Netherlands and Danish leaders and France and Germany not even talking to Johnson.

I say all this not to hasten, welcome or shape the negative consequences of Brexit, I say this because I have the ability to discern the fucking obvious, in fact so fucking obvious, blind fucking Pew could spot it a fucking mile away.

 

[mat]

You'd prefer him to go all Denethor?

"All hope is lost! Flee, flee for your lives!"

I would prefer him to be up front. Were all adults not kids.

"The possibility of a deal is low. We cannot agree with the EU on some of the points made. However, we must prepare for all eventualities..."

Instead he says "It's not fair! Those nasty foreigners we bailed out in WW2 won't do as they are told. All we want is access to their single market with nothing in return. It's nots much to ask is it? But Johnny Frenchie says we must keep human rights lawyers in a career and leave our country open to mass illegal immigration..."

 

[mcfc1632]

Sadly I feel there is too much personal unpleasantness on here to enjoy any debate im affraid. And its only the debate im after so will have to leave you to it fellas.

Disappointingly, you will not be the first that has opted to Leave the thread

Most of the Leave supporting posters have left the thread at least for 'spells'

 

[BobKowalski]

It is funny to observe people who cry outrage whenever the UK government hands out a dodgy contract to private companies without tender and misuse the tax payers money.

But the same people seem to be fine with the EU accepting revenue from the UK who happen to be the 2nd biggest contributor within the EU (funded by the taxpayer) whilst being one of the lowest recipients of the budget. We might receive a rebate/funding which could be maybe half of what we contributed in the form of development grants etc.

Absolute bollocks. Seriously, how do you guys not actually know what we get for our contribution? We had this whiny uniformed shite in 2016 and still the fucking penny hasn’t dropped?

Every time you come out with this grade A weaponry the country IQ drops a few points. We are currently heading for minus territory.

 

[mcfc1632]

I would prefer him to be up front. Were all adults not kids.

"The possibility of a deal is low. We cannot agree with the EU on some of the points made. However, we must prepare for all eventualities..."

Instead he says "It's not fair! Those nasty foreigners we bailed out in WW2 won't do as they are told. All we want is access to their single market with nothing in return. It's nots much to ask is it? But Johnny Frenchie says we must keep human rights lawyers in a career and leave our country open to mass illegal immigration..."

Fuck - just catching up - but did he really say:

"It's not fair! Those nasty foreigners we bailed out in WW2 won't do as they are told. All we want is access to their single market with nothing in return. It's nots much to ask is it? But Johnny Frenchie says we must keep human rights lawyers in a career and leave our country open to mass illegal immigration..."

If so the guy is more of a total idiot than I thought

That was a genuine quote wasn't it?

 

[jay_mcfc]

I think you credit me with greater powers that I actually posses, other than perhaps foresight and the ability to see reality.

I cannot actively make Brexit better or worse. I can confidently predict that if we raise barriers to trade, we will do less trade. I can predict that if we force solutions on unwilling countries in our own Union, or raise barriers between countries in our own Union. we will hasten the end of our Union. I can predict that if we force a separation with our European neighbours and seek to make sure it happens during a pandemic, when every country is suffering, we will earn the undying and embittered hostility from those nations for generations to come. For context, see the remarks from the Netherlands and Danish leaders and France and Germany not even talking to Johnson.

I say all this not to hasten, welcome or shape the negative consequences of Brexit, I say this because I have the ability to discern the fucking obvious, in fact so fucking obvious, blind fucking Pew could spot it a fucking mile away.

Think you just need to be a bit more positive tbh.

 

[BobKowalski]

Disappointingly, you will not be the first that has opted to Leave the thread

Most of the Leave supporting posters have left the thread at least for 'spells'

I’m not fucking surprised.

 

[BobKowalski]

Think you just need to be a bit more positive tbh.

That was my best shot at positivity :)

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

EU protects it's members trade = good

UK protects it's members trade = bad

Appears to be the opinion amongst our sage contributors.

exactly . It’s the same posters moaning the fact that the uk (but seemingly not the eu) are going to have a disastrous no deal brexit.

yet they conveniently forget that after brexit the UK proposed that the withdrawal agreement and the free trade agreement get agreed at the same time and be legally binding. Seems pretty sensible to me and gives both sides certainty. As well as business and citizens.

but no THE EU wanted to sort the dosh out first and only would agree a legally binding withdrawal agreement and some non legally binding guff about endeavours to agree a trade deal in the future.

well here we are , following the EUs plan , 20 days from the end of the transition and no trade deal. May be the UKs suggestion at the outset would have been better after all?

 

[mat]

It is funny to observe people who cry outrage whenever the UK government hands out a dodgy contract to private companies without tender and misuse the tax payers money.

But the same people seem to be fine with the EU accepting revenue from the UK who happen to be the 2nd biggest contributor within the EU (funded by the taxpayer) whilst being one of the lowest recipients of the budget. We might receive a rebate/funding which could be maybe half of what we contributed in the form of development grants etc.

I voted remain for political reasons. I knew the Tories would fuck it up and carve all the cash to their mates.

I have issues with how the EU operates politically, mainly with its mass privatisation of all public services under the term "economic liberalisation"

I'd have been more inclined to vote leave had it been a labour government I would have been more satisfied they would have been a deal done in plenty of time that meant both sides were protected and neither would go down the shitter.

We can all see the cliff were about to fall off, even a shit deal will give us the opportunity of being issued a small parachute to soften the blow. Whilst JRM/Boris and plenty of other MP's glide off to their secure tax havens with their bonus millions from betting against it on the stock exchanges.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Disappointingly, you will not be the first that has opted to Leave the thread

Most of the Leave supporting posters have left the thread at least for 'spells'

Maybe because increasingly few leavers believe in the BS. And can you really blame the remainers for telling you that this shit show was what you claimed would not happen. Brexit is bollocks, is it really still up for debate?

 

[1.618034]

Why can't the PM just say no deal rather than Australian type deal. It's doing my box in. Even moreso as he's just gone full Rule Brittania after saying it. "The UK will come out stronger...blah...blah..."

Because he's a ****.

 

[Metal Biker]

I would prefer him to be up front. Were all adults not kids.

"The possibility of a deal is low. We cannot agree with the EU on some of the points made. However, we must prepare for all eventualities..."

Instead he says "It's not fair! Those nasty foreigners we bailed out in WW2 won't do as they are told. All we want is access to their single market with nothing in return. It's nots much to ask is it? But Johnny Frenchie says we must keep human rights lawyers in a career and leave our country open to mass illegal immigration..."

Checked the statement and pretty sure he didn't say anything like that.
Is there some other press release you've seen that I and others haven't?

You're being just as hyperbolic in your resentment of the situation. How am I meant to take your opinons seriously if you're acting the same way you're accusing him of being. Nothing in his statement even alluded to anything like what you're suggesting.

 

[Metal Biker]

Fuck - just catching up - but did he really say:

"It's not fair! Those nasty foreigners we bailed out in WW2 won't do as they are told. All we want is access to their single market with nothing in return. It's nots much to ask is it? But Johnny Frenchie says we must keep human rights lawyers in a career and leave our country open to mass illegal immigration..."

If so the guy is more of a total idiot than I thought

That was a genuine quote wasn't it?

I'll link the video of it. It's shocking mate, absolutely shocking, that a PM could say this without any hint of restraint!

 

[BobKowalski]

exactly . It’s the same posters moaning the fact that the uk (but seemingly not the eu) are going to have a disastrous no deal brexit.

yet they conveniently forget that after brexit the UK proposed that the withdrawal agreement and the free trade agreement get agreed at the same time and be legally binding. Seems pretty sensible to me and gives both sides certainty. As well as business and citizens.

but no THE EU wanted to sort the dosh out first and only would agree a legally binding withdrawal agreement and some non legally binding guff about endeavours to agree a trade deal in the future.

well here we are , following the EUs plan , 20 days from the end of the transition and no trade deal. May be the UKs suggestion at the outset would have been better after all?

I’ll be honest, the effects of a no deal Brexit on Lithuania, Slovakia and the like don’t really bother me. To be fair, over half the EU countries barely give a shite either way.

Also, I have no idea why you think agreeing the WA and the future trade deal at the same time would have made a toss of difference given we still thought German carmakers would swing it for us and ‘it would be the easiest deal in history’.

Personally, I think us not having a fucking scooby was the biggest issue, and after four years, one internal customs border and NI still half left in the EU, it seems we still don’t.

 

[Northernstorirs]

Absolute bollocks. Seriously, how do you guys not actually know what we get for our contribution? We had this whiny uniformed shite in 2016 and still the fucking penny hasn’t dropped?

Every time you come out with this grade A weaponry the country IQ drops a few points. We are currently heading for minus territory.

Ok clam down princess, before making jibes about IQ, perhaps you could provide a breakdown of what value the UK receives from their contribution other than a simple payment to be part of a trading bloc.

 

[Metal Biker]

exactly . It’s the same posters moaning the fact that the uk (but seemingly not the eu) are going to have a disastrous no deal brexit.

yet they conveniently forget that after brexit the UK proposed that the withdrawal agreement and the free trade agreement get agreed at the same time and be legally binding. Seems pretty sensible to me and gives both sides certainty. As well as business and citizens.

but no THE EU wanted to sort the dosh out first and only would agree a legally binding withdrawal agreement and some non legally binding guff about endeavours to agree a trade deal in the future.

well here we are , following the EUs plan , 20 days from the end of the transition and no trade deal. May be the UKs suggestion at the outset would have been better after all?

EU wants to retain some semblance of control, at all times.

It's not how you treat your friends or those you regard as your friends. The whole episode has done nothing to alter my opinion of EU officials.

 

[mcfc1632]

I don't believe you ever said anything to anyone about the benefits of any delay after 1st January of taking control of our waters, until Saint Frost conceded it. Apology waiting if you did.

Well, not that I am interested - but please apologise, but more importantly....

You seem to have a problem understanding the words - which I have set out quite a few times now:

You know - because I have clearly told you - that I choose not to engage with you because of the repeated manner in which you twist the words of posters that you are 'engaging' with to mean other than what they actually said.

I suspect I am not alone in deciding that there is no point whatsoever in 'engaging' with someone that acts that way.

There will be others that I find worth the time to engage with that I can explain to why this would be an excellent outcome for the UK - specifically for the UK's fishing industry and more widely the TA negotiations.

I just will not spend more time - than an occasional post like this - on 'exchanges' with you or others that I find incapable of genuine debate"

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

exactly . It’s the same posters moaning the fact that the uk (but seemingly not the eu) are going to have a disastrous no deal brexit.

yet they conveniently forget that after brexit the UK proposed that the withdrawal agreement and the free trade agreement get agreed at the same time and be legally binding. Seems pretty sensible to me and gives both sides certainty. As well as business and citizens.

but no THE EU wanted to sort the dosh out first and only would agree a legally binding withdrawal agreement and some non legally binding guff about endeavours to agree a trade deal in the future.

well here we are , following the EUs plan , 20 days from the end of the transition and no trade deal. May be the UKs suggestion at the outset would have been better after all?

I thought that the German car manufacturers were supposed to be in control of this, or was it us that held all the cards. I can't remember now.

 

[journolud]

Disappointingly, you will not be the first that has opted to Leave the thread

Most of the Leave supporting posters have left the thread at least for 'spells'

It has been terrible to see all the totally reasonable yet delicate leavers get hounded off the thread intermittently by the nasty remainers. Good to see a few of them back as we reach the epic climax of the negotiations with the great easy deal we were always promised.