Another new Brexit thread

[smudgedj]

The European Commission has decided that no EU state should begin to vaccinate until all EU states are ready to vaccinate. So the German elderly will just have to wait until the slowest member is ready. This will probably be Romania.

And who will be the first group vaccinated on the great EU 'Vaccination Day'? 40,000 people 'from the Brussels area'.

Some Germans aren't very happy about it.

Covid-19: EU-Mitgliedstaaten sollen zeitgleich mit dem Impfen beginnen - WELT

Die Botschaft aus Brüssel ist klar: Es wird keinen Impfwettlauf geben. Alle EU-Staaten sollen möglichst zeitgleich mit dem Impfen beginnen. Doch bei dem Vorhaben, das sich wohl bis zum Sommer ziehen wird, gibt es eine entscheidende Schwachstelle.

www.welt.de

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I do and I hope there is a deal. FTAs are clearly important that’s why we have signed 50 odd new ones

but let’s not continue the myth that if we leave the eu without a FTA that’s it , you no longer can trade within the eu cos it’s bollox.

global companies trade all over the globe under FTAs and without them

companies within the EU trade with the US , China and Australia and there is no FTA deal with these countries.(even if boris thinks there is an Aussie one)

if we leave the eu without a deal companies in the uk will still trade with companies in the eu (and visa versa) , but let’s hope they get a deal and it’s not to coin a phrase, a shit show.

but hey let’s hope there is a deal because that would be better.

No No they wont.... .. and there wont be a deal either.


Corbyn was right ........ again

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I have never said we wouldn’t trade. There will just be more barriers, red tape and costs. All we are doing is negotiating how high the trade barriers will be. Very high-No deal. Lower-Deal. For services it will even more of a shitshow as the deal on offer has very little for services.

The biggest issues will be things like adapting to exist outside the EU regulatory zone and trying to create our own from scratch, an unnecessary and costly duplication.

That BMW’s will cost a bit more is minor stuff. Food cost increases will be more problematic, though.

It will be the little, unforseen things that catch us out and minor costs that pile up for smaller businesses.

well lets hope they see sense on all sides and get a deal.

anyway I have got sucked back into this thread again having had a long break from it which I can highly recommend , as it got a bit dull and boring so I will bow out again and leave the usual posters to rinse and repeat the same points on both sides.

May come back when there is a deal (or not)

 

[Northernstorirs]

Backed up with knowledge of the facts mate. That you are posting this type of rubbish at this stage is pretty funny. Someone tried to point out the value of our membership of the EU and you have completely ignored what was said. I wont be making the same error. Have a nice evening.

I acknowledged and agreed with the benefits mentioned. I then suggested you can't quantify those benefits/services with a monetary value. It is a justification for the expensive membership fee.

I don't agree we should be leaving especially under the current clown show of a government and in the middle of a pandemic. I do recognise the EU has it's faults. It could be argued that taxpayers money is probably in better hands of the EU than our current government.

Would just be nice to see less hysteria and sneering in the thread.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I have never said we wouldn’t trade. There will just be more barriers, red tape and costs. All we are doing is negotiating how high the trade barriers will be. Very high-No deal. Lower-Deal. For services it will even more of a shitshow as the deal on offer has very little for services.

The biggest issues will be things like adapting to exist outside the EU regulatory zone and trying to create our own from scratch, an unnecessary and costly duplication.

That BMW’s will cost a bit more is minor stuff. Food cost increases will be more problematic, though.

It will be the little, unforseen things that catch us out and minor costs that pile up for smaller businesses.

Have you knowledge of where they are with aviation? If i remember the EASA which looks after safety and licensing responsibilities will need to be taken on by the caa. Whilst the contingency plans proposed yesterday give the UK a 6 month period of grace the work is significant and I have no idea how advanced it is.

 

[stonerblue]

I think the more telling argument other than bobs hope for misery so he can say he was right on a football forum

is if he believes brexit is going to be a total shit show and really bad for the uk and it’s citizens and businesses ...

why is it that the major sticking point in the negotiations is that the EU are insisting on us mirroring their own reg and regulations and restricting our state aid and we must have a level playing field Because they don’t want the uk to have a competitive advantage over the eu on its doorstep.

what are the eu so scared of? If we are going to be fucked and a basket case why the need to restrict us? The truth is they don’t want the uk to succeed and fear it will do so hence this sticking point.

anyway I have given up posting on this thread as it’s boring but I do find this paradox interesting.

Would you have been happy with one member of the eu operating under different rules than the rest when we were still in it?

 

[M18CTID]

The European Commission has decided that no EU state should begin to vaccinate until all EU states are ready to vaccinate. So the German elderly will just have to wait until the slowest member is ready. This will probably be Romania.

And who will be the first group vaccinated on the great EU 'Vaccination Day'? 40,000 people 'from the Brussels area'.

Some Germans aren't very happy about it.

Covid-19: EU-Mitgliedstaaten sollen zeitgleich mit dem Impfen beginnen - WELT

Die Botschaft aus Brüssel ist klar: Es wird keinen Impfwettlauf geben. Alle EU-Staaten sollen möglichst zeitgleich mit dem Impfen beginnen. Doch bei dem Vorhaben, das sich wohl bis zum Sommer ziehen wird, gibt es eine entscheidende Schwachstelle.

www.welt.de

While that is admirable in an “all of us are equal” kind of way, it’s quite staggering as delaying the vaccination program in countries that are ready to go now will no doubt lead to unnecessary deaths. I wonder if the 40,000 people from the “Brussels area” who will get the jab first will contain any EU bods. Surely not! Anyway, one of the comments underneath the article:

While reading this article, I was red with anger! Here and elsewhere, thousands of people die of Corona every day. And the EU is concerned that there will be no “vaccination competition”. It's so monstrous that you can't really believe it. How much I envy the British who have separated from the "EU".

 

[stonerblue]

Because i've been asked to explain it mutliple times (and by you yourself on occasion) and have done clearly?

Do you ever read this thread before posting?

Was it summat to do with 'pret'?

 

[meltonblue]

If it is going to go wrong, I’d rather it went spectacularly wrong and quickly simply because it means it would have to be reacted to quickly too.

I still don’t think it’s over yet though.

 

[stonerblue]

Just as the public had no influence over the negotiations and how they've been concluded since January 2020. The public tasked the next Government to "get a deal", they've (seemingly) failed.

"It's all the publics fault!"

Nailed it.

 

[Len Rum]

please explain how companies within the eu trade with companies in the US every second of every single day even though, wait for it.....

there is NO EU US FTA.

They do trade.
The theory is that with an FTA both sides do more trade with each other.

 

[Len Rum]

I do and I hope there is a deal. FTAs are clearly important that’s why we have signed 50 odd new ones

but let’s not continue the myth that if we leave the eu without a FTA that’s it , you no longer can trade within the eu cos it’s bollox.

global companies trade all over the globe under FTAs and without them

companies within the EU trade with the US , China and Australia and there is no FTA deal with these countries.(even if boris thinks there is an Aussie one)

if we leave the eu without a deal companies in the uk will still trade with companies in the eu (and visa versa) , but let’s hope they get a deal and it’s not to coin a phrase, a shit show.

but hey let’s hope there is a deal because that would be better.

And in theory trade with no deal is less than trade with a FTA.
And trade with a FTA is less than trade within a close integrated economic bloc ( the EU).
You feel me?

 

[stonerblue]

I’m not fucking surprised.

I think you'll find it's, 'surfuckingprised'..

 

[Saddleworth2]

I acknowledged and agreed with the benefits mentioned. I then suggested you can't quantify those benefits/services with a monetary value. It is a justification for the expensive membership fee.

I didn't intend to sneer and apologise if you thought I had. Its more frustration that after all this time folks come on this thread and post stuff that has been done to death over the last couple of years. Try this document. It should help. Just the exec summary should suffice.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/517415/treasury_analysis_economic_impact_of_eu_membership_web.pdf

 

[BobKowalski]

It’s starting to feel like an episode of Blackadder...

‘Chris Parry, a former rear admiral and chair of the Marine Management Organisation, said ministers should act assertively. “I would seek to make an example and take a [EU fishing] boat or two into Harwich or Hastings. Once you had impounded them, the others would not be so keen to transgress without insurance.”

Four navy ships to help protect fishing waters in case of no-deal Brexit

Exclusive: two vessels to be deployed at sea with two on standby in case EU fishing boats enter EEZ

www.theguardian.com

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

If it is going to go wrong, I’d rather it went spectacularly wrong and quickly simply because it means it would have to be reacted to quickly too.

I still don’t think it’s over yet though.

Is that not the point Bob made earlier.

From the outside looking in, you are all Brexiters, whether you voted for it or not.
The same as the shambles of 4 years is your government’s whether it’s Cameron, May or Johnson.

Britain owns the decision and again from the outside this dilemma of either wishing for a long term success or a quick failure is very interesting but something I wish we weren’t so involved in.
That’s my main interest in it all.
Whereas I wouldn’t begrudge you a long term success, my view is that it would involve a very uncomfortable period for NI and Ireland which is unwelcome.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

It’s starting to feel like an episode of Blackadder...

‘Chris Parry, a former rear admiral and chair of the Marine Management Organisation, said ministers should act assertively. “I would seek to make an example and take a [EU fishing] boat or two into Harwich or Hastings. Once you had impounded them, the others would not be so keen to transgress without insurance.”

Four navy ships to help protect fishing waters in case of no-deal Brexit

Exclusive: two vessels to be deployed at sea with two on standby in case EU fishing boats enter EEZ

www.theguardian.com

Under the Tories have we still got ''four navy ships''?

 

[stonerblue]

????? ".......... cant be arsed with the rigmarole of applying for an international licence."

Fuck - sorting that took me 10 mins last week - and cost £5.50

If you took a day off from moaning on these threads you could probably have time to do it for a bus load of people

Just trying that now. started at 17.40pm and i'm upto the bit where it says 'further detail available in 2020' with regard to which country i may need a permit for. 17.46pm

update; 17.58. Govuk has sent me to the post office page. Still not sure if i need one yet.

 

[Len Rum]

what just asking some lawyers to get the Canada agreement out and changing the word Canada for UK.

we don’t want anything more than other countries have with the eu in the form of a free trade agreement.

unless you are telling me that

the French can fish in Canadian waters ;and

canada are obligated to follow eu laws and regulations or face sanctions ?

Countries like Canada and Japan which have FTAs with the EU do not represent a threat to the single market because they do much less trade than us and geographically they are more distant than us.
Hence the terms of their FTAs can be a little more relaxed.
Keep 'em coming mate.
No charge for the trade lessons.

 

[stonerblue]

We got 4 million jobless Europeans for a start. We should be grateful for their benevolence

Go on...?