Another new Brexit thread

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Rascal said:
It is ironic how many Brits feel the same despite living under freedom of movement for citizens of the UK for hundreds of years. There is no border controls when you go to Rhyl, a Scotsman can quite easily work in Scunthorpe, you dont need a passport to get to Perth or a Visa to get to llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrngogogoch.
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You need a passport to get to Spain fella and if there is a large movement of Scots to Scunny I'm unaware of this bizarre change of lifestyle:-)
 
Vic said:
Where's the deception in arriving in a dinghy? "I'm here in a dinghy seeking asylum."

The "free pass to all" is another non sequitur.
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Bloody hell, really, when they could just get on a ferry and cross and ask for asylum, ye sure I’ll take a little boat across the sea, hoping when I get to the other side there is someone to greet me. Only reason they are using them is the hope they can disappear.
 
Vic said:
As most seem to be heading for Dover rather than some obscure beach in Dorset, I think they are hoping to be caught. Of course the well-organised ones may be landing in Dorset.
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Last thing I’ll say as I don’t care enough to continue but most pay traffickers to try and get them in.

I genuinely don’t think they’re unsafe in France and I genuinely don’t think they’re trying to be caught.

We need a better system in place so genuine asylum seekers can seek asylum but we also need to ensure people aren’t risking their lives in boats.
 
hilts said:
So you think free movement is a big advantage to the UK and the other countries in the EU?
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Freedom of movement is a benefit to people.

Migration always brings benefits, be it ideas, culture, cuisine, innovation, the iPad on which I am writing this or indeed vaccines.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Bloody hell, really, when they could just get on a ferry and cross and ask for asylum, ye sure I’ll take a little boat across the sea, hoping when I get to the other side there is someone to greet me. Only reason they are using them is the hope they can disappear.
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You need travel documents to get on a ferry to the UK, just like you do if you get on an aeroplane.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
It was for the vast majority who never usually come out to vote. If it wasnt for you and Mazzarelli then I am happy and proud for you both. However, UKIP and Frogface framed it around immigration and that topic did mobilise sufficient non regular voters to come out and cast a vote. So yes, you can say that largely it was.
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so what , if people are concerned about immigration and free movement of people they are entitled to think that way and vote accordingly.
 
BobKowalski said:
Freedom of movement is a benefit to people.

Migration always brings benefits, be it ideas, culture, cuisine, innovation, the iPad on which I am writing this or indeed vaccines.
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Seems kind of a deflection so let’s try it again, would you say freedom of movement is an overall benefit to the people in the U.K. and other countries in the EU. And do the EU themselves see it as a benefit to those countries.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
fullfact.org

EU facts behind the claims: UK influence – Full Fact

In partnership with experts at the UK in a Changing Europe project, we've taken a look at the facts behind the claims on the UK's influence in the EU.
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Go nuts, but do be sure to read the WHOLE thing before responding, so as to understand the context of the point being made. ( I can already tell which paragraphs you'll quote and which you'll ignore, you see. You need to read the whole article)
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Once again you are wrong. I’m not going to quote anything save to say this article is hardly unequivocal in its support of your assertion.

I actually looked up the voting records some time ago and posted them on here and so I have a good idea of the truth, however I’m not going to waste my time going through them again.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Bloody hell, really, when they could just get on a ferry and cross and ask for asylum, ye sure I’ll take a little boat across the sea, hoping when I get to the other side there is someone to greet me. Only reason they are using them is the hope they can disappear.
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Which would be why refugees from Africa head in dinghies for Lampedusa, thinking they can disappear in a small island.
 
BobKowalski said:
Freedom of movement is a benefit to people.

Migration always brings benefits, be it ideas, culture, cuisine, innovation, the iPad on which I am writing this or indeed vaccines.
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vaccines, ideas, cuisines, innovation and ipads can move freely without pretty much anyone needing to move countries. You bring the best in, use that expertise to train the next generation of your workforce and allow your own population to be the most productive it can be.
 
Three months on from the post below, I think the day's theme has put to bed the claim that Leavers didn't think immigration was much of an issue in how people voted in the referendum.


Vic said:
I see that Frost's mention of controlling borders has been a cue for a flurry of posts about a "remainer obsession" with immigration. Just not from Remainers.
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Ban-jani said:
Considering we’ve been in the Single Market for how many years they haven’t needed to, they can just enter via their French passport.

Isn’t that obvious?
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What if they don't have a passport because it has been removed from them for political reasons.

You make this wild assumption that the right always make about safe countries. How do you know that France is safe and how do you know that the person seeking asylum has not been persecuted.

The only way is by a proper asylum procedure, not castigating everyone as an economic migrants like the far right do and like you have done.
 
BobKowalski said:
Freedom of movement is a benefit to people.

Migration always brings benefits, be it ideas, culture, cuisine, innovation, the iPad on which I am writing this or indeed vaccines.
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It does bring problems of course. Britain's first immigration act was to keep out poor Jewish economic migrants who were supposedly depressing wages (so were women getting jobs).

But I've listed before (in a different thread) what European immigrants have done for us.

Vic said:
We could probably do with a dedicated "immigration" thread. I'm not sure the "open borders" advocates would be many; I just do the history of how that used to work for centuries, and how immigrants' work ethic and innovation has helped the UK- all those jobs round here thanks to Beyer (as in Beyer Peacock), Renold, Ferranti, Marconi, Dreyfus (Clayton Aniline), Brunner and Mond (ICI).

I did recall Ken Livingstone saying London could not function without illegal immigrants, but when I searched for that, this is what I got: http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2008/04/09/mayor_migrants_amnesty_feature.shtm)
(Johnson supports amnesty for illegal immgrants.)
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Vic said:
Three months on from the post below, I think the day's theme has put to bed the claim that Leavers didn't think immigration was much of an issue in how people voted in the referendum.
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It’s the brexit thread we have discussed folding bikes and mackerel and much more at length than what would be deemed not to be normal.

I will concede that immigration was more important than mackerel in people’s voting, Cod I have no idea about.

I hope this makes you feel better.
 
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