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Have to say that I am quite interested to see what he is going to backtrack or contradict himself on this afternoon.

The opening up for Xmas is a huge mistake, quite how we have got to this point so close to Christmas amazes me.

The scientist are saying not to open up, everyone i have discussed this with thinks it is a big mistake and the only people who seem to want to have this break in restrictions are the government.

And even they are saying its not a good idea now but won't change their plan.
 
This mutant strain thing getting a bit serious now.
Bo Jo holding a cabinet meeting now and press conference later.
Peston referring to it as a made in UK virus strain rife in Kent and South East/ London.
This now confirmed by Whitty.
 
twosips said:
I'm still very cynical that there is a notable mutation. We'll see. When it was spreading like mad up north no was citing a new strain. Looked like London has just caught up to where we were a few weeks back, sadly. It feels like a very easy justification to go back on the xmas messaging, which I think they're gonna try and grab onto tbh. Fair enough, but I do sense a bit of opportunism here.
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Thought this but looks like CMO etc going along
abu13 said:
Have to say that I am quite interested to see what he is going to backtrack or contradict himself on this afternoon.

The opening up for Xmas is a huge mistake, quite how we have got to this point so close to Christmas amazes me.

The scientist are saying not to open up, everyone i have discussed this with thinks it is a big mistake and the only people who seem to want to have this break in restrictions are the government.

And even they are saying its not a good idea now but won't change their plan.
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Polling shows about 70% of people will be mixing households at xmas so your in the minority if you don’t want it
 
Currently in France visiting relatives and luckily didn‘t have to come in contact with anybody from door to door, although they can’t be held up to any great light the French in Covid cases they are least all wearing masks in and outside and there is a curfew which kicks in at 8pm, Dieppe is a reasonably sized coastal port and 95% are abiding by the rules and believe me from coming over many times there’s nothing the French like doing more is flaunting laws.

Return on Tuesday and will do our 10 days isolation and hopefully by the new year the Oxford vaccine comes online and we get back to some normality.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I dont usually see good in this government but the lady in charge of vaccine procurement has done an excellent job.
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I think the Government has got virtually all the key decisions wrong but they deserve credit for the way they have handled the vaccine procurement. They have gambled a lot on the Oxford vaccine but if the decision to pre-order 100m doses was correct we could be one of the first countries out of this crisis. Let's hope they have got this one right. We'll soon find out.
 
Some big numbers will be coming today I am afraid.

Wales first 3065 cases and 35 deaths. Both well up on last Saturday and 3065 a new record for Wales. Dirst daily total over 3000.
 
England hospital deaths up again too, sadly. Not sure if this is wave 2 part 2 or wave 3. Either way it is here.

339 - the highest yet on Saturday in the second wave.

But the better news FIVE other areas had more deaths than the NW where only 23 occurred.

The only area with less was the East of England with 21.

Even the South West had more. The area Boris famously cited as it being unfair to put into restrictions when instead of a national lockdown he imposed months of heavy restrctions on much of the NW.

We will have a national lockdown now, of course, as everyone outside of the government has known for weeks.
 
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bobbyowenquiff said:
I think the Government has got virtually all the key decisions wrong but they deserve credit for the way they have handled the vaccine procurement. They have gambled a lot on the Oxford vaccine but if the decision to pre-order 100m doses was correct we could be one of the first countries out of this crisis. Let's hope they have got this one right. We'll soon find out.
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The Govt did get the MHRA approval decision for the Pfizer vaccine right.
However on the procurement of the 'Oxford' vaccine then I wouldn't have expected anything less than a substantial purchase of our 'home made' vaccine.I don't agree that it's a gamble. It's justified and necessary irrespective of the success of the vaccine ( BTW I fully expect it to be successful and the most effective globally).
We should expect public officials to do their jobs well ( everyone else is expected to in their day to day life).
Overly praising them because of a very low bar of competence set by the Government is misplaced IMO.
 
50 of todays England hospital deaths in Kent hospitals and a few more in London. Really awful down there.

Manchester at 8 was highest in NW.

Age ranges 11 aged 40 - 59, 128 aged 60 - 79 and 200 aged over 80.

Just think if we prevent most of those last groups with vaccine over the next 2 months (which if Oxford comes on stream we can) the huge difference that will make to the the tragic reports I have to post daily.
 
It's looking inevitable that we will have another lock down, will he have the plumbs to announce it before Christmas ? Im certain they will want as much open as they can in terms of christmas spending. Cant see much else for them to close considering most of the country is already in tier 3
 
From the Guardian


BREAKING: Christmas cancelled for London, South East and East, as areas moved into new Tier 4 with “stay at home” message by law. Christmas bubbles only allowed for Tiers 1 - 3 on Xmas Day with “stay local message”. International travel not advised. Latest plan.
 
kaz7 said:
He should just cancel the holidays instead of more twiddling , mess of his own making , cant stop himself making promises all along that he darent go back on
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Ideal opportunity to try and get it down while a lot of people are off for a couple of weeks I’d have thought?
No we will have 5 days of madness and go into full lockdown in Jan!
 
kaz7 said:
He should just cancel the holidays instead of more twiddling , mess of his own making , cant stop himself making promises all along that he darent go back on
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He could but it would be pointless, people will do what people are doing. They won't change now.
 
artfuldodger said:
From the Guardian


BREAKING: Christmas cancelled for London, South East and East, as areas moved into new Tier 4 with “stay at home” message by law. Christmas bubbles only allowed for Tiers 1 - 3 on Xmas Day with “stay local message”. International travel not advised. Latest plan.
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If this is true I would just like to thank all the selfish knobheads around here. Guess will take our presents to the in laws this evening before we get locked in
 
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