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willipp said:
Fuck me I hope so. That would have the over 50’s and key workers all done by spring. If someone said to me this will be looking really positive by March / April time id rip their hand of for it. Completely understand anyone’s doubting projected numbers based on previous statements throughout this whole thing though, we don’t really have a track record for delivering on targets.
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That will still take till May to do everyone over the age of 18.
 
abu13 said:
I think it makes sense to do so, can you imagine what New year's eve would be like if people think they can get away with it. There will be house parties everywhere and there is no way the police would be able to cope with the numbers reported.

Tier 4 might make some people reconsider.
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cleavers said:
After their initial infection, China seem to be doing remarkably well, at either keeping it out, or hiding the real numbers.
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I wouldn’t believe a single thing China said. And when all of this shit is under control they need to be held to account.
 
Seems that since the vaccines were rolled out weve gone backwards and get bad news daily again

to top it my 5 year old has to self isolate for 10 days now as someone in his class tested positive yeaterday

fuckin beam me up scotty, im hitting brick walls with it all now :(
 
cleavers said:
There's a site you can put your details in and it gives you a date for the vaccine, I'm 58, and it was early June, so good luck with that.

Some are far too optimistic about how quick this will happen imho.
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Maybe some need the optimism to keep going.
Im sponge for positivity and negativity. So any positive news lifts me.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Impact of new variant on children investigated

Experts urgently assess whether the mutation of coronavirus spreads more easily among the young.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Just something being investigated, but what a dilemma if this is the case, especially the bit ....

He stressed the link was still being investigated and was not yet proven.
"If it were true, then this might explain a significant proportion, maybe even the majority, of the transmission increase seen," he added.
 
inbetween said:
mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.

The lipids are to allow for the mRNA to easily enter cells, the salts (sodiums) are there to help match the contents with the body (PH level etc). mRNA is difficult to keep stable and has to be kept at very low temperatures.

There is no mercury or other preservative in the Pfizer vaccine.
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many thanks, i think the potassium phosphate is the one that has sparked all the fertiliser memes is it? that'll be one she brings up. I guess here it's a stabilizer or growth promoter? i dont know. Also, sodium phosphate dihydrate is another one for the additive brigade but i believe is safe in very small doses?

it's that sodium chloride you need to look out for ;) (seriously kids, dont eat too much salt)
 
shemnel said:
many thanks, i think the potassium phosphate is the one that has sparked all the fertiliser memes is it? that'll be one she brings up. I guess here it's a stabilizer or growth promoter? i dont know. Also, sodium phosphate dihydrate is another one for the additive brigade but i believe is safe in very small doses?

it's that sodium chloride you need to look out for ;) (seriously kids, dont eat too much salt)
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I think the phosphates are the pH buffers, but will also likely have stabilising properties, as the two are connected.

Fertilisers do contain phosphates but usually to provide phosphorus which is essential for growth. That would commonly be ammonium phosphate which would also provide nitrogen. There is probably some conflation with organophosphates which are pesticides and poisonous - the phosphates in the vaccine are NOT organophosphates.

There won't be a growth promoter as there isn't any thing to promote (the RAN enters cells and replicates there, in the same way viruses do).

The chloride and sucrose ( which is normal sugar) are there to match body fluid conditions, and the phosphate will do this too - as @inbetween correctly said.
 
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artfuldodger said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Impact of new variant on children investigated

Experts urgently assess whether the mutation of coronavirus spreads more easily among the young.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Just something being investigated, but what a dilemma if this is the case, especially the bit ....

He stressed the link was still being investigated and was not yet proven.
"If it were true, then this might explain a significant proportion, maybe even the majority, of the transmission increase seen," he added.
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How are they allowed to print unproven stuff like this? If it was the other way round and they were printing that the new strain is it less deadly and is unlikely to make anyone ill, but this has not yet been proven, everyone would be calling them irresponsible. Scaremongering twats.
 
True_Blue69 said:
How are they allowed to print unproven stuff like this? If it was the other way round and they were printing that the new strain is it less deadly and is unlikely to make anyone ill, but this has not yet been proven, everyone would be calling them irresponsible. Scaremongering twats.
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If its by Prof Neil Ferguson theyll print it. The beeb love him.
 
True_Blue69 said:
How are they allowed to print unproven stuff like this? If it was the other way round and they were printing that the new strain is it less deadly and is unlikely to make anyone ill, but this has not yet been proven, everyone would be calling them irresponsible. Scaremongering twats.
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Because, to quote one of our posters, “Misery loves company”.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I think the phosphates are the pH buffers, but will also likely have stabilising properties, as the two are connected.

Fertilisers do contain phosphates but usually to provide phosphorus which is essential for growth. That would commonly be ammonium phosphate which would also provide nitrogen. There is probably some conflation with organophosphates which are pesticides and poisonous - the phosphates in the vaccine are NOT organophosphates.

There won't be a growth promoter as there isn't any thing to promote (the RAN enters cells and replicates there, in the same way viruses do).

The chloride fans sucrose ( which is normal sugar) are there to match body fluid conditions.
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I wish I'd paid more attention when in the science class at school. I find all this utterly fascinating!!
 
MikeF said:
I wish I'd paid more attention when in the science class at school. I find all this utterly fascinating!!
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I had a couple of goes at writing that, so I was hoping it was clear enough!

I work in the chemistry/biotech field, so I know some of the detail. I do not work specifically in vaccines/viruses, but come into contact with them in passing.
 
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