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I've been following this thread a lot recently as it seems to contain more reliable and informed scientific facts, links and news than the mainstream media. I'm amazed at the level of detail provided by Healdplace that is apparently more recent than that used by BBC and politicians who use old data. Why do they use old data?

Where does Healdplace get her data from? Does it require much manipulation to present it here?
 
Ric said:
I know he’s not especially popular with some, and this may be better suited to the political thread, but found this article by Tony Blair on how we should go about our vaccination programme quite interesting.
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Tbf he is only stating the obvious.

Anyone working where the virus can spread quickly or in large numbers of people should be vacinated first alongside health workers and those most likely to die from covid.

Not sure if the one dose everyone and wait for the second one to arrive/be made is a medically sound idea, but then I ain't a doctor.

He is corrrect a proper plan and sorting out testing is vital, unfortunately this government is useless.
 
Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
I've been following this thread a lot recently as it seems to contain more reliable and informed scientific facts, links and news than the mainstream media. I'm amazed at the level of detail provided by Healdplace that is apparently more recent than that used by BBC and politicians who use old data. Why do they use old data?

Where does Healdplace get her data from? Does it require much manipulation to present it here?
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The data can be looked at two ways and are available to everyone on

UKHSA data dashboard

Showing public health data across England
coronavirus.data.gov.uk coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Each case data is released with two dates; one is the date it is released (e.g. Dec 23rd) and the other date is the date the case actually went for test (e.g. Dec 19th). The former tells you when the information is released while the latter tells you when the person was actually positive. Therefore the case data released on the 23rd Dec has very little to do with that day, in terms of when they occurred. For example today they'll announce 40k cases but that'll be smeared across the previous week or so. The idea is that the last 4 days of data are very very likely to be incorrect due to tests still being processed, while the bulk data release is always two dates in the past.

Healdplace very diligently posts how those cases are on the actual date of publication, today, NOT the date of test. So they are two different things but very related. It's almost like the path a dog walker and their dog might take - same end goal without being the same. The cases in the healdplace posts are a very good indicator of what is to come really, but can be slightly misleading when there's a spike and in reality that spike is smeared over time (e.g. due to delayed processing or whatever reason)

The media appear to have opted for dates of case rather than date of release. I'd be very shocked if the govt don't take both into account, which seems sensible. In fact they've got loads of extra data we the public can't access, addresses, ages etc.
 
Ric said:
I know he’s not especially popular with some, and this may be better suited to the political thread, but found this article by Tony Blair on how we should go about our vaccination programme quite interesting.
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not popular with some?? Jesus you might as well have put a picture of the devil up.
 
Stop dithering. Act now.

(I know this is getting repetitive, but it does seem to be pretty much universal view)

 
True_Blue69 said:
Not like Sky news to be peddling more negative bullshit. Probably waited for 2 days for an argument over who was in the queue to the toilet first and turned it into a big story.
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To be fair they said it was much a do about nothing, and down to the frustration at testing times being given.
 
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roubaixtuesday said:
Stop dithering. Act now.

(I know this is getting repetitive, but it does seem to be pretty much universal view)

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The media bloody love a tiny bit of drama. Lorry drivers stuck in Dover? Well I never, not as if it's happened before when the French have gone on strike, which is every month.

It is a few days backlog after after Granny Groper Macron halted all transport to France. Many exports impacting French retailers/suppliers.
 
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German driver says he has been sent back and forth to different places where they then send him somewhere else for his tests.

As they won't let them in the port, they are on the road with no toilet facilities anywhere to get food and no one relaying information, no officials or port authorities.

Does sound a bit shambolic
 
Northernstorirs said:
The media bloody love a tiny bit of drama. Lorry drivers stuck in Dover? Well I never, not as if it's happened before when the French have gone on strike, which is every month.

It is a few days backlog after after Granny Groper Macron halted all transport to France. Many exports impacting French retailers/suppliers.
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The tweet is aimed at the tier 4 headline, not the trucks.
 
Ric said:
I know he’s not especially popular with some, and this may be better suited to the political thread, but found this article by Tony Blair on how we should go about our vaccination programme quite interesting.
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Blair seems to be of the opinion (reading between the lines) that the media negativity towards then Oxford / AZ vaccine has influenced the MHRA to be especially thorough. He might well be right.

Anyway, it was estimated the Oxford / AZ vaccine would get the go ahead around the 28th December. Hopefully, that happens whilst maintaining the independence of the MHRA. That’s important because we already know, for example, they only 57% of people in BAME communities are willing to take the vaccine(s). I’ve seen different figures for survey results across the population (maybe three quarters willing to be vaccinated). There isn’t a lot of wiggle room for risking those figures slipping further eg if vaccine clearance was seen as a political decision.

Btw, it could be embarrassing for the Government if the Oxford / AZ vaccine was cleared first by the EMA.
 
Ric said:
I know he’s not especially popular with some, and this may be better suited to the political thread, but found this article by Tony Blair on how we should go about our vaccination programme quite interesting.
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I made a very similar point yesterday about changing the vaccine strategy and it went down like a lead balloon.

I read Blair's suggestions, I think it would be very sensible to reconsider the JCVI list now that the variant has been discovered. Obviously there are many alternatives to those which Blair suggests but we should reconsider how we can the vaccines in respect of the variant cluster. This is an apolitical question. I suspect some working party / group are looking at this. They certainly should be. That cluster has the capacity to change the course of this epidemic
 
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roubaixtuesday said:
Stop dithering. Act now.

(I know this is getting repetitive, but it does seem to be pretty much universal view)

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kicking off here now at manston ! Hundreds of lorry drivers now blocking the Thanet Way A299. Been here about an hour now , police slowly turning up. But you have to feel sorry for the lorry drivers.

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Tim of the Oak said:
Blair seems to be of the opinion (reading between the lines) that the media negativity towards then Oxford / AZ vaccine has influenced the MHRA to be especially thorough. He might well be right.

Anyway, it was estimated the Oxford / AZ vaccine would get the go ahead around the 28th December. Hopefully, that happens whilst maintaining the independence of the MHRA. That’s important because we already know, for example, they only 57% of people in BAME communities are willing to take the vaccine(s). I’ve seen different figures for survey results across the population (maybe three quarters willing to be vaccinated). There isn’t a lot of wiggle room for risking those figures slipping further eg if vaccine clearance was seen as a political decision.

Btw, it could be embarrassing for the Government if the Oxford / AZ vaccine was cleared first by the EMA.
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There's so much riding on it. If the EMA approve first then so be it, that's still good news for us. I think we're passed the stage where it would seem 'rushed through' and have raised a few eyebrows. If they're completing the most thorough of checks, that's good, it will hopefully give the public and the scientific community much more confidence in it. Only thing is, we need it yesterday.
 
Marvin said:
I made a very similar point yesterday about changing the vaccine strategy and it went down like a lead balloon.
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TBF the lead balloon bit was about ring fencing the south east.

If the half dose AZ vaccine is approved we have 8 million doses Jan 1st.

I agree - we should be getting those into arms as fast as humanely possible. Dose 2 timing not critical.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Stop dithering. Act now.

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She talks eminent sense, do it now, stop faffing around, that's been a major problem. When the government announced last week Surrey was going in Level 3 with the exception of Waverley that was bizarre and absurd, Waverley is now a week later heading right up the charts, about 160 when I last looked and probably not far off the 200 mark in reality. Enjoy your Christmas dinner in restaurants Waverley because you will be paying for it in human lives come the new year.

Edit, Waverley now 237, Tameside where I live is 125 but I'm happy to go in Level 4, the return of people from Tier 4 to the North for Christmas is a disaster, should have locked down as soon as the new variant and its effects were detected IE last week.
 
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