Why even vote against it?
They’re literally voting for something that will ruin lives.
What’s the point if they know it will pass?
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They’re literally voting for something that will ruin lives.
What’s the point if they know it will pass?
I suspect some Tories may do the same too. I didn’t realise all MPs were obliged to unequivocally back it?Apparently some Labour MPs are going to revolt and vote against the deal.
If they are then I can’t wait to see them named, the people that voted to ruin lives.
They’re not but anyone, on any side of the house, that doesn’t, is a selfish prick.I suspect some Tories may do the same too. I didn’t realise all MPs were obliged to unequivocally back it?
Wouldnt you agree?
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It makes more sense for some to vote against it. If we end up worse off in the long-run, they won’t be on the record voting for it. Wouldn’t surprise me if many Labour MPs actually abstain.Why even vote against it?
They’re literally voting for something that will ruin lives.
What’s the point if they know it will pass?
PMQ, January 15th - the Prime Liar speaks
Douglas Chapman
(Dunfermline and West Fife) (SNP)
Q14. The writer and broadcaster Muriel Gray said last week that the end of the Erasmus scheme “is an utter disaster, academically, culturally and socially. Politicians have just voted to make our young people more insular, narrow and parochial. Heartbroken.” What would the Prime Minister say to 2014 "no" voters like Muriel who thought that the future of Scottish students was safe in the hands of a British Prime Minister? (900198)
The Prime Minister
I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman is talking through the back of his neck. There is no threat to the Erasmus scheme, and we will continue to participate in it. UK students will continue to be able to enjoy the benefits of exchanges with our European friends and partners, just as they will be able to continue to come to this country.
Douglas Chapman
(Dunfermline and West Fife) (SNP)
Q14. The writer and broadcaster Muriel Gray said last week that the end of the Erasmus scheme “is an utter disaster, academically, culturally and socially. Politicians have just voted to make our young people more insular, narrow and parochial. Heartbroken.” What would the Prime Minister say to 2014 "no" voters like Muriel who thought that the future of Scottish students was safe in the hands of a British Prime Minister? (900198)
The Prime Minister
I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman is talking through the back of his neck. There is no threat to the Erasmus scheme, and we will continue to participate in it. UK students will continue to be able to enjoy the benefits of exchanges with our European friends and partners, just as they will be able to continue to come to this country.
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Why even vote against it?
They’re literally voting for something that will ruin lives.
What’s the point if they know it will pass?
It's a protest. Accurately represents that a lot of people had very grave reservations.
I really do object to winding up of rhetoric to the extent you've done there. It's time for this democracy to cool down a bit.
Dissent and disagreement is very healthy. We've got to stop painting EVERYTHING as life-or-death right-or-wrong.
Black and white thinking is a virus - a known symptom of many mental health conditions. We've got to get past this and start respecting disagreement. It's an inevitable fact of life - and we can all learn something from each other.
Depends on what grounds they’re opposing it, tbh. It’s hardly akin to, say, opposing extending free school meals for hungry kids though.They’re not but anyone, on any side of the house, that doesn’t, is a selfish prick.
Wouldnt you agree?
journolud
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Continuing the shitshow that is Brexit and white they might have what they think are good reasons and it may be mainly symbolic it doesn’t help Labour look any more electable.Apparently some Labour MPs are going to revolt and vote against the deal.
If they are then I can’t wait to see them named, the people that voted to ruin lives.
Further down the line if it ends up being a shit deal then Labour will be tarred with the same brush as the tories for inflicting it on us, to a degree at least
Maybe, the faux outrage was a bit much though.Whataboutism and you know it.
I completely agree need to get back to objectivity and include some nuance in our politics again but this is as straight forward as it gets, either we destroy the economy and people’s livelihoods by voting against the deal or we vote for it and move on as a country.It's a protest. Accurately represents that a lot of people had very grave reservations.
I really do object to winding up of rhetoric to the extent you've done there. It's time for this democracy to cool down a bit.
Dissent and disagreement is very healthy. We've got to stop painting EVERYTHING as life-or-death right-or-wrong.
Black and white thinking is a virus - a known symptom of many mental health conditions. We've got to get past this and start respecting disagreement. It's an inevitable fact of life - and we can all learn something from each other.
I hope anyone who votes against it, and let’s face it, they are only doing so for personal opposition to Starmer or because they’re fringe Brexiteers in the Tories, loses their seat in 2024.
Even though it’ll pass it’s ridiculous to be using this situation as a protest. What happened to serving in the country’s interest?
Sometimes you need to call a spade a spade.
There’s no faux outrage, what possible gain would I get from pretending to be annoyed at MPs for this?Maybe, the faux outrage was a bit much though.
I strongly object to the fact that fringe elements of the Tory and Labour parties would vote against this for their own internal party politics.
I think it’s incredibly selfish when there’s so much at stake.
It’s irrelevant, it’d be nothing more than a meaningless protest vote. With Labour’s backing it’s going to pass easily, albeit with virtually no scrutiny. Really not worth getting worked up about the odd dissenting voice in the Commons.There’s no faux outrage, what possible gain would I get from pretending to be annoyed at MPs for this?
I strongly object to the fact that fringe elements of the Tory and Labour parties would vote against this for their own internal party politics.
I think it’s incredibly selfish when there’s so much at stake.
I know it’s going to pass easily, however it’s entirely justified to be annoyed at anyone voting against the deal, it just highlights that some still want to put themselves before the general population.It’s irrelevant, it’d be nothing more than a meaningless protest vote. With Labour’s backing it’s going to pass easily, albeit with virtually no scrutiny. Really not worth getting worked up about the odd dissenting voice in the Commons.
I hate to break it to you, but quite a few politicians put themselves before the general population/vote to “ruin people’s lives” on a pretty regular basis.I know it’s going to pass easily, however it’s entirely justified to be annoyed at anyone voting against the deal, it just highlights that some still want to put themselves before the general population.
I know, and I can’t stand it, that’s my point.I hate to break it to you, but quite a few politicians put themselves before the general population/vote to “ruin people’s lives” on a pretty regular basis.
Not sure why you’re making this “faux” defence of them, like it’s perfectly acceptable because it happens all the time.
Ha, I don’t even know who “they” are yet. How many MPs have actually declared that they will oppose it, or given their reasons for doing so? Just find it odd that this is the one Parliamentary vote that has seemingly pushed you over the edge.I know, and I can’t stand it, that’s my point.
Not sure why you’re making this “faux” defence of them, like it’s perfectly acceptable because it happens all the time.
I’m not over the edge haha.Ha, I don’t even know who “they” are yet. How many MPs have actually declared that they will oppose it, or given their reasons for doing so? Just find it odd that this is the one Parliamentary vote that has seemingly pushed you over the edge.
I wouldn’t even be still talking about if we weren’t in conversation.
It’s just being reported and all I’ve said if anyone does, they’re a selfish prick.
Nothing more or less than that.
Fair enough mate. Have a good Christmas, and hope your cat turns up safe and sound soon.I’m not over the edge haha.
I wouldn’t even be still talking about if we weren’t in conversation.
It’s just being reported and all I’ve said if anyone does, they’re a selfish prick.
Nothing more or less than that.
Thanks mate, you too.Fair enough mate. Have a good Christmas, and hope your cat turns up safe and sound soon.
Still no sign of him other than my neighbours cctv last night but at least he’s not stuck or in trouble.
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