If it turns out to be tolerable and we all get the vaccine by summer I can see him calling a GE before the end of the year while labour are still fighting with each other.Agreed, and to get a deal like this within a year is an accomplishment.
Many will dismiss it, as usual, but I don't think it's done Johnson any harm,
far from it.
It is starting to look like Bunter has pulled it off. I won't mind admitting I was wrong if indeed he has.
Still time for a trap or two to be uncovered though.
But what's this "similar source"?There is, I've been wading through it, but can't see anything, but you never know. Bill Cash and crew will no doubt unearth something, but I doubt they'll vote against, we'll see.
Lol, yeah, he could do, ride the wave and all that, but I don't think so, an 80 seat majority, although probably not at risk, means it's not worth it, for the possible benefit of just a year.If it turns out to be tolerable and we all get the vaccine by summer I can see him calling a GE before the end of the year while labour are still fighting with each other.
Sigh, that's another topic entirely, about the treasury forecast, it was countered by @jaseirai and I commented on that.But what's this "similar source"?
If Bill Cash and Co. give it the nod then it's over and they can get to work on Uncle Nige's statue...There is, I've been wading through it, but can't see anything, but you never know. Bill Cash and crew will no doubt unearth something, but I doubt they'll vote against, we'll see.
Okay forget the any old deal. This deal, as I see it there are 4 opinions on it, The government who tell us it's a great deal. the EU who say they have got a very good deal, the leave supporters who.like you say it's a very good deal and delivers what they want, then the remain voters like myself who think it's worse than we had but far better than no deal. So nobody thinks 'no deal is better than this deal', except mabe a few loonies at the fringes.You describe it as any old deal, I see it as very good, but we'll never change that.
Unlike the Swiss and Norwegians we don't pay for it. They may indeed see new agreements and changes with their arrangements with the EU, we don't have those arrangements, so what they do or don't do has nothing to do with us.
Same as whatever Singapore or Brazil, or whoever, they have their own agreements, we now have ours.
Hello mate.I've only seen various summaries of the deal, but it appears the main issue that's upsetting people is that various idiots at either end of the debate had already set their stall out predicting a 'no deal' brexit and have now all been made to look like fannies. Love him or loath him Boris (actually the negotiating team) have delivered on the much scoffed at 'get brexit done' GE slogan. We can argue indefinitely over the nuances of the deal but the extremists at either end of the debate will never be able to get past that fact.
Yep, if you ignore the fact that we caved in on fish and LPF, there’s no agreement on professional qualification equivalence and next to nothing on services then it’s a triumph. As the alternative was No Deal then it’s a success.Fishing are claiming ‘betrayal’ and Johnson himself saying it’s not what we wanted on financial services. I imagine there’s going to be more to follow but ultimately we’ll be happy to have something in place, as whatever we have is better than no deal. I’d argue that’s a long way from what was promised but if people on either side of the argument can live with it then fair enough.
I can understand the initial knee jerk on fishing, but the industry is going to receive over £100 million to prepare for the increased quotas due, so the existing arrangements will change, a significant benefit, albeit not immediately.Fishing are claiming ‘betrayal’ and Johnson himself saying it’s not what we wanted on financial services. I imagine there’s going to be more to follow but ultimately we’ll be happy to have something in place, as whatever we have is better than no deal. I’d argue that’s a long way from what was promised but if people on either side of the argument can live with it then fair enough.
I can.Sigh, that's another topic entirely, about the treasury forecast, it was countered by @jaseirai and I commented on that.
About 6 or 7 pages back, I can't be arsed going back again.
....The Treasury, you may recall, made similar predictions about the immediate damage Brexit would precipitate, they didn't happen. I was going to post
a similar source to @jaseirai, which you've obviously seen, and as you say, for every economic forecast, there is usually another that counters it.
He's been promised a peerage if he keeps quiet about the betrayal of fishing.If Bill Cash and Co. give it the nod then it's over and they can get to work on Uncle Nige's statue...
I think anyone with a brain or objectivity has sort of got over the concept of 'sides' as if this is some sort of war. It was always going to be a compromise, which means that no-one gets to 'win', but no one loses either. There will of course be the angry idiots who wanted a no deal uber brexit, and the other angry idiots who will be scouring twitter for pics of anytime a lorry drops below 50mph on the M20, but for the rest of the population it's a case of job done and move on.Hello mate.
I know you're a bit of a WUM but just parroting populist slogans gets us nowhere.
Anybody could 'get Brexit done' by conceding everything to the other side.
So the detail of the deal is important not the slogan
You haven't seen the Daily Express.I think anyone with a brain or objectivity has sort of got over the concept of 'sides' as if this is some sort of war. It was always going to be a compromise, which means that no-one gets to 'win', but no one loses either. There will of course be the angry idiots who wanted a no deal uber brexit, and the other angry idiots who will be scouring twitter for pics of anytime a lorry drops below 50mph on the M20, but for the rest of the population it's a case of job done and move on.
Everyone loses to some extent whether it’s a few minor inconveniences or the loss of jobs or career opportunities, but that has been an inevitability since June 2016. But it’s time to move on and try to restore our fortunes.I think anyone with a brain or objectivity has sort of got over the concept of 'sides' as if this is some sort of war. It was always going to be a compromise, which means that no-one gets to 'win', but no one loses either. There will of course be the angry idiots who wanted a no deal uber brexit, and the other angry idiots who will be scouring twitter for pics of anytime a lorry drops below 50mph on the M20, but for the rest of the population it's a case of job done and move on.
No Vic, I haven't and never do.You haven't seen the Daily Express.
You appear to be talking about the future relationship, and I have no idea ifOkay forget the any old deal. This deal, as I see it there are 4 opinions on it, The government who tell us it's a great deal. the EU who say they have got a very good deal, the leave supporters who.like you say it's a very good deal and delivers what they want, then the remain voters like myself who think it's worse than we had but far better than no deal. So nobody thinks 'no deal is better than this deal', except mabe a few loonies at the fringes.
So when new governments, or this one, negotiate new deals, or change this deal, and they will at some point,in fact services are still to be done, then the walk away is to remain on this current deal. That is why the old walk away of no deal is no longer viable, because no one thinks it's more viable than what we now have. It's possible yes, but not viable.
You really don't think when / if we change government they won't want changes to the deal. Unless you think we will have Conservative majorities in perpetuity, Don't forget we will have divergence across the UK of how close we are tied to EU rules. N.Ireland have theirs with ties to S.M . Scotland are in the process of tying Scottish law to EU rules in the future.
You mean this?You haven't seen the Daily Express.
Oh, you want me to post another source, in addition to the original one, is that it? No I won't bother, unless you want to subscribe to the Telegraph, which I doubt, but I can assure you, it's there.I can.
That similar source. To the one that (for no apparent reason) forecast that UK GDP would be 23% higher than France by 2035.