The Conservative Party

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Some Tories say they against homosexuality only because making all their rights equal means there's no danger in it for the kinky men.

Just Thatcher turning the thumbscrews on the repressed in her cabinet probably

 

[urban genie]

Gavin Williamson needs to go back to school himself.


The thick ****

 

[mat]

Gavin Williamson needs to go back to school himself.


The thick ****

He is your typical arrogant, yet stupid Tory.

 

[mat]

As I'm still banned from the Covid thread I'll put this here. It does overlap into this thread.

 

[Ban-jani]

As I'm still banned from the Covid thread I'll put this here. It does overlap into this thread.

Why didn’t you put it in the Covid politics thread?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Gavin Williamson needs to go back to school himself.


The thick ****

Would you buy a fireplace from Williamson ? ...... oh whoops many did


Conservative MPs ...eh. What are they like? Not overqualified for the job thats for sure.

 

[Rascal]

Has anyone seen that tweet from David Amess MP for Southend

He is spending the night at a hotel with a cardboard cut out of Thatcher to celebrate brexit.

The mind fucking boggles at these people.

And still silly cunts vote for them.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Has anyone seen that tweet from David Amess MP for Southend

He is spending the night at a hotel with a cardboard cut out of Thatcher to celebrate brexit.

The mind fucking boggles at these people.

And still silly cunts vote for them.

See .... once again with the mixed messages. Southend is in Tier 4. Southend hospital declared a major incident yesterday due to volume of Covid19 patients. Non essential travel is supposedly banned. Yet here he is ... staying in a hotel.

oh and he's a pro life nutter as well

 

[bluethrunthru]

Well today we have Brandon Lewis literally lying over a border - Steve Baker same - claiming the EU made us keep the tampon tax and how great it is to have been able to get rid of it completely overlooking the fact he was one of the Tory MP's who 5 years ago voted against repealing the tampon tax which we could have removed then whilst in the EU and MP for Grimsby in hiding from her betrayed voters in the fishing and fish protesting industry - new year but same Tories eh?

 

[Ban-jani]

See .... once again with the mixed messages. Southend is in Tier 4. Southend hospital declared a major incident yesterday due to volume of Covid19 patients. Non essential travel is supposedly banned. Yet here he is ... staying in a hotel.

oh and he's a pro life nutter as well

Yeah imagine being labelled a nutter for not wanting to kill children... sigh.

I don’t condone his other behaviour though, absolutely needless and sad.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Well today we have Brandon Lewis literally lying over a border - Steve Baker same - claiming the EU made us keep the tampon tax and how great it is to have been able to get rid of it completely overlooking the fact he was one of the Tory MP's who 5 years ago voted against repealing the tampon tax which we could have removed then whilst in the EU and MP for Grimsby in hiding from her betrayed voters in the fishing and fish protesting industry - new year but same Tories eh?

This is exactly what I meant in the new Brexit thread.... Tories lying about the reduction in the Tampon tax being a benefit of leaving the Eu ... but failing to mention that Member states always had the choice to nominate 'luxury products' commanding a higher rate of VAT. and that since 2015 the tax raised on sanitary products to fund marginalised and disadvantaged women. (Bet they wont replace that funding)

Scotland has made all period products totally free .

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Yeah imagine being labelled a nutter for not wanting to kill children... sigh.

I don’t condone his other behaviour though, absolutely needless and sad.

Perhaps if he was truly Pro Life ... he should stop backing his Party's sale of weapons and training assistance to the Saudis so they can bomb Yemen ..... breathtaking hypocrisy.

 

[Ban-jani]

Perhaps if he was truly Pro Life ... he should stop backing his Party's sale of weapons and training assistance to the Saudis so they can bomb Yemen ..... breathtaking hypocrisy.

That I agree with but being pro-life isn’t and shouldn’t be a controversial position.

Being someone who’s going through the process now, with my Mrs approaching 30 weeks, I know full well what a child looks like, in the womb, at 24 weeks and the current policy that I’m legally able to kill that child is concentration camp stuff.

In the future we’ll look back at our abortion policy and realise we were monsters.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

“Far Right Conservative Nationalistic” doesn’t make any sense.

They're all completely different political ideologies.

Far Right assumes Facism which has nothing to do with Conservatism as much as Liberalism has nothing to do with Communism. Nationalistic can be both far right and far left.

But yes, it is only bubbling in countries who have more extreme political parties in power. But they exist, so we’re better off away from them.

So your saying the the current Conservative Party in the UK who

Are advocating the return of the death penalty

Propose Sinking dinghies full of asylum seekers in the middle of the channel

Have had the Prime ministers plane decorated in a Union Jack

Looking to deport as many people as legally possible (and changed the law to make it easier)

Social Security measures have killed in excess of 150,000 since 2010 (UN Rapporteur)

Refused to feed disadvantaged kids in the middle of a pandemic

Reduced disability benefits by £30 a week

Are a moderate party? really ?

 

[mat]

And so the nasty foreigners trope continues.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Ifwecouldjust....... said:
So your saying the the current Conservative Party in the UK who

Are advocating the return of the death penalty - Nobody has even put this to parliament for debate, where are you getting this from? - https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/12/a-return-of-the-death-penalty-would-just-be-the-latest-tory-attack-on-human-rights/#:~:text=Priti%20Patel’s%20historic%20support%20for%20the%20death%20penalty,for%20the%20return%20of%20capital%20punishment%20in%20Britain.

What the UK's new Home Secretary has said about the death penalty

The new Home Secretary hasn't had a controversy-free time as a politician.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Propose Sinking dinghies full of asylum seekers in the middle of the channel - That was Katie Hopkins, she’s not in the government. Nobody in government has proposed this.

Patel has admitted considering it - https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/br...i-patel-migrants-english-channel-plans-268062

Have had the Prime ministers plane decorated in a Union Jack - The UK government using the UK flag isn’t far right, every government on the planet uses the flag of their nation.

But a change from ''the UKs established practice. Just another indicator of a move towards ''Nationalism'' to fire up their base.

Looking to deport as many people as legally possible (and changed the law to make it easier) - Deporting criminals doesn’t make you far right, it’s happened for decades, under the last Labour government too. The vast majority of deportees, went back to EU nations, when we were an EU member. How is that far right?

Only 19% of enforced deportations were to the Eu in 2019. - https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac....ortation-and-voluntary-departure-from-the-uk/

Priti Patel set to tighten laws so foreign criminals face deportation

Since 2007 foreign criminals have only been considered for removal from Britain if they were jailed for a minimum of 12 months.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Social Security measures have killed in excess of 150,000 since 2010 (UN Rapporteur) - Even if this was correct, that is down to austerity measures, it’s not far right policies in a social sense, it’s neoliberalism.

Not reacting to it shows a lack of empathy and understanding they were advised of the problems of poverty caused by austerity in the UK by the United Nations - Here is the link to their report. - https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A/HRC/41/39/Add.1&Language=E&DeviceType=Desktop

Refused to feed disadvantaged kids in the middle of a pandemic - They should have done this, absolutely, but they did feed them for one period out of term and drew the line after that. As above, it’s not classed as a far right policy.

Reduced disability benefits by £30 a week - Again, austerity measures aren’t what is normally classed as far right politics. Why penalise the most vulnerable though? Taking £30 a week off a disabled person and also in many cases taking their mobility transport off them. ? Doesn't sound like fair and equitable.I would suggest that the

Are a moderate party? really ? - Yes, just one that displays incompetence. Many aspects of this government are liberal over conservative.

 

[Ban-jani]

What the UK's new Home Secretary has said about the death penalty​

The new Home Secretary hasn't had a controversy-free time as a politician.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Propose Sinking dinghies full of asylum seekers in the middle of the channel - That was Katie Hopkins, she’s not in the government. Nobody in government has proposed this.

Patel has admitted considering it - https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/br...i-patel-migrants-english-channel-plans-268062

Have had the Prime ministers plane decorated in a Union Jack - The UK government using the UK flag isn’t far right, every government on the planet uses the flag of their nation.

But a change from ''the UKs established practice. Just another indicator of a move towards ''Nationalism'' to fire up their base.

Looking to deport as many people as legally possible (and changed the law to make it easier) - Deporting criminals doesn’t make you far right, it’s happened for decades, under the last Labour government too. The vast majority of deportees, went back to EU nations, when we were an EU member. How is that far right?

Only 19% of enforced deportations were to the Eu in 2019. - https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac....ortation-and-voluntary-departure-from-the-uk/

Priti Patel set to tighten laws so foreign criminals face deportation​

Since 2007 foreign criminals have only been considered for removal from Britain if they were jailed for a minimum of 12 months.

www.dailymail.co.uk
Social Security measures have killed in excess of 150,000 since 2010 (UN Rapporteur) - Even if this was correct, that is down to austerity measures, it’s not far right policies in a social sense, it’s neoliberalism.
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Not reacting to it shows a lack of empathy and understanding they were advised of the problems of poverty caused by austerity in the UK by the United Nations - Here is the link to their report. - https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A/HRC/41/39/Add.1&Language=E&DeviceType=Desktop

Refused to feed disadvantaged kids in the middle of a pandemic - They should have done this, absolutely, but they did feed them for one period out of term and drew the line after that. As above, it’s not classed as a far right policy.

Reduced disability benefits by £30 a week - Again, austerity measures aren’t what is normally classed as far right politics. Why penalise the most vulnerable though? Taking £30 a week off a disabled person and also in many cases taking their mobility transport off them. ? Doesn't sound like fair and equitable.I would suggest that the

Are a moderate party? really ? - Yes, just one that displays incompetence. Many aspects of this government are liberal over conservative.

Link 1 is her own personal view, there’s absolutely no indication whatsoever she’s proposed this to the House. Until then it’s a bogeyman and was needless to use as an example to attack the whole party.

Link 2 specifically says it was considered to push boats back to the shore of France, it wasn’t “proposed” at all, it was considered and it wasn’t to “sink the dinghies” as you put it. You’ve gone from wave machines being considered to push dinghies back to the French shore, to the government proposing to sink them. Again, it’s a huge straw man.

The New European isn’t exactly an impartial source is it?

2019 might have been 17% to EU countries but over a much longer period of time it’s been to the EU predominantly. That said, have you seen the crimes of those that she’s tried to deport? “Gang land executioners” - why the hell shouldn’t we deport these people? It’s not “far right” to deport foreign criminals.

You’re also using statistics from before this government was in, when Cameron was PM, to fit you’re narrative and are then ignoring the statistics, from prior to this government, when it doesn’t.

If you go and commit a crime in countries around the world, they’ll either execute you, lock you up for much longer than you’d get here or more likely, deport you back to the UK.

What is it with the left and protecting criminals over victims and potential victims?

Again, austerity measures aren’t considered far right policy, it’s neoliberal.

 

[mat]

Nasty bastard.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Nasty bastard.

a tolerable level of deaths? Is she going to nominate family members and constituent who are expendable under this new policy or are they going to sort of Logan's Run it?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Link 1 is her own personal view, there’s absolutely no indication whatsoever she’s proposed this to the House. Until then it’s a bogeyman and was needless to use as an example to attack the whole party.

Link 2 specifically says it was considered to push boats back to the shore of France, it wasn’t “proposed” at all, it was considered and it wasn’t to “sink the dinghies” as you put it. You’ve gone from wave machines being considered to push dinghies back to the French shore, to the government proposing to sink them. Again, it’s a huge straw man.

The New European isn’t exactly an impartial source is it?

2019 might have been 17% to EU countries but over a much longer period of time it’s been to the EU predominantly. That said, have you seen the crimes of those that she’s tried to deport? “Gang land executioners” - why the hell shouldn’t we deport these people? It’s not “far right” to deport foreign criminals.

You’re also using statistics from before this government was in, when Cameron was PM, to fit you’re narrative and are then ignoring the statistics, from prior to this government, when it doesn’t.

If you go and commit a crime in countries around the world, they’ll either execute you, lock you up for much longer than you’d get here or more likely, deport you back to the UK.

What is it with the left and protecting criminals over victims and potential victims?

Again, austerity measures aren’t considered far right policy, it’s neoliberal.

I'm glad someone else can see through this twaddle. There is plenty of shit to throw at the Tories without making hysterical stuff up.