Coronavirus (2021) thread

[mcfc1632]

if it’s an end to a way out this pandemic. Then yes I will pay for an old dear to get a taxi if she can’t afford it to get her jab done at 4am.

24 hour vaccination programme could be achieved if the will is there.

Exactly - people - and the government - should work on the basis that it can be done and not always think of issues and inconveniences.

What is there to lose - the government would be better off being able to demonstrate that they offered routes to vaccination that were declined

The only possible issue I could see is the supply of vaccine and - once that is sorted then a good number of 24/7 or at least long opening hours locations could be established. Places like the Etihad or shopping outlets with large car parking could be used. Practical things such as a dominated family member to drive an infirm person can be introduced etc.

IMO - just needs the mindset of 'it can be done' and then the effort to make it work

 

[Mon Autre]

Wife went for a test first thing Monday morning, and hasn't heard anything yet, when i and others i know went for a test we got it back in less than 24hours, are the results taking a little bit longer at the moment? ,if she doesn't hear today can we phone somewhere?

You can call them after three days and they will flag it in their system and hopefully someone will chase it up and get back to you, but it's a very frustrating process. When it happened to me it turned out they'd lost my results and I never heard back despite chasing 3 times. Hopefully they're just really busy though and you hear back soon!

 

[mcfc1632]

if it’s an end to a way out this pandemic. Then yes I will pay for an old dear to get a taxi if she can’t afford it to get her jab done at 4am.

24 hour vaccination programme could be achieved if the will is there.

I am sure that if there was an issue of getting people in their 80s to go then those in their 70s would take up the windows - if not those in their 60s

We should have citizens progressing through as many parallel channels as possible - not in one long orderly queue

As I say - the only issue is the supply of vaccine to make sure that there is no shortage for the priority groups

 

[inbetween]

I think it depends on how busy the labs are mate. I had one yesterday am so am waiting too. I think I read somewhere that up to 3 days is normal, although like you I know people who got results within 16-24 hrs.

I had a test over Christmas and it took just over 24 hours. I booked and went to a drive-thru test say on a Monday morning and the negative result came through by email at 1am on Wednesday morning. The mobile text I remember took longer and came through later that day.

It can take longer or shorter depending on where you have it, whether it's a walk-in test or drive-thru etc. Hospitals, care homes etc are the only setting for < 24hr turnarounds.

 

[Gabriel]

It's interesting reading the pile-on that The Telegraph is orchestrating against the government's vaccination programme as it is something you'd expect from the Guardian. The main article is saying that the government is 'refusing' to use the almost 12,000 pharmacy network to deliver the vaccine yet in the live blog they are saying they wil be using them. Why wouldn't they as pharmacies deliver huge numbers of flu jabs every year.

Another main article says the PHE is 'refusing' to work at weekends as the vaccines won't be delivered on Sundays except in emergencies. The fact is you shouldn't need to deliver at weekends as orders can be placed in advance and stock held. It's not 'just in time' advanced manufacturing FFS.

There’s a ridiculous amount of political waffle and ridiculously poor journalism; the lack of penetrating questions is becoming a national embarrassment.

Nadhim Zahawi was 'grilled' on this on Radio 4 this morning. He said that they are using the pharmacy network, but what he means is they are only using the largest places and not the entire network. Michelle Hussain did not then ask him why they were not using them all, but my suspicion is that there simply won't be the supply to need their services.

The amount of waffle about 'fill and finish' and inability to answer questions on specific numbers should have journalists smelling blood. The person in charge cannot explain when they expect to have 300,000 vaccinated a day, instead sticking to a global figure of 13 million by mid-February. Same thing happened with Test & Trace...

I also find the subtle shifting of responsibility a bit off. In recent days, I've increasingly heard Ministers say that it is the NHS that is now in charge of the roll-out, as if that now absolves them. Sounds a little contrived and I wonder why.

 

[mcfc1632]

This is now only being introduced....

Seems strange - it has been in operation in countries like Cyprus since at least July.

There is not even the excuse of it causing a burden at the airports as the onus is on the traveller before travelling

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

It's interesting reading the pile-on that The Telegraph is orchestrating against the government's vaccination programme as it is something you'd expect from the Guardian. The main article is saying that the government is 'refusing' to use the almost 12,000 pharmacy network to deliver the vaccine yet in the live blog they are saying they wil be using them. Why wouldn't they as pharmacies deliver huge numbers of flu jabs every year.

Another main article says the PHE is 'refusing' to work at weekends as the vaccines won't be delivered on Sundays except in emergencies. The fact is you shouldn't need to deliver at weekends as orders can be placed in advance and stock held. It's not 'just in time' advanced manufacturing FFS.

You would think they would have the wagons rolling 24 hours a day as well as weekends to get these vaccines distributed considering what is about to happen to the NHS in the next few weeks.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

It's interesting reading the pile-on that The Telegraph is orchestrating against the government's vaccination programme as it is something you'd expect from the Guardian. The main article is saying that the government is 'refusing' to use the almost 12,000 pharmacy network to deliver the vaccine yet in the live blog they are saying they wil be using them. Why wouldn't they as pharmacies deliver huge numbers of flu jabs every year.

Another main article says the PHE is 'refusing' to work at weekends as the vaccines won't be delivered on Sundays except in emergencies. The fact is you shouldn't need to deliver at weekends as orders can be placed in advance and stock held. It's not 'just in time' advanced manufacturing FFS.

Leading Community Pharmacists have been posting on social media for days that they are being snubbed. If the Government have changed their position that would be very welcome.

My Dad is getting his jab on Saturday (at a rugby club house FWIW). I don’t get the obsession with 24/7 distribution either when people are getting vaccinated at weekends. We will know by Mid to late February whether the vaccine roll out is working and saving lives. All this bellyaching from some posters about a vaccination programme, a few days in, doesn’t get us far.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

You would think they would have the wagons rolling 24 hours a day as well as weekends to get these vaccines distributed considering what is about to happen to the NHS in the next few weeks.

That's not the point, though. Vaccinations should be carried out all day, every day. Delivery doesn't need to be 'just in time' so there is no reason not to carry several days stock and place orders for more in time.

FWIW, I don't think the target of mid February for all most at risk groups will be met. I reckon we are two weeks short so the end of next month is more likely. Only six hospitals are using Oxford until tomorrow so that is big chunk of this week gone for example.

 

[unicorn]

On the Isle Of Man after the xmas period we have 7 positive cases and they have just put us on complete lockdown for 3 weeks with no exceptions! Essential shops and garden centres that can deliver only are allowed to stay open along with pubs/cafes that can deliver food. If you are out driving around the police will stop you and ask where you are going to deem if your journey is essential and if it isnt then they will make you go back home. We have been Covid free for 7 months but someone came back from across for xmas, self isolated for 2 weeks, felt fine but then had symptons in the 3rd week and tested positive. The person had been out clubbing etc and seems to have spread the wealth abit but to hopefully knock it on the head everything was announced yesterday and comes in to force midnight tonight.

Shame, that.

My mate in Douglas has been stuck in Douglas since their (highly effective) Lockdown, denied his weekly trip to visit Manchester Holt's boozers.

Isle of Man my second favourite place on earth after Manchester, it had been great seeing his pics of life back to normal till now.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Starmer needs to discipline him.

A few red cards needed.

As a bit of an idealist and dreamer as there's no chance of honour....we've seen shit dealing with Cumming and that undermined everyone, it needs to stop.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

That's not the point, though. Vaccinations should be carried out all day, every day. Delivery doesn't need to be 'just in time' so there is no reason not to carry several days stock and place orders for more in time.

If you think about the kitchen sink being thrown at furloughing people funding wise, you would think we could mobilise an army of people to project manage, administrate and distribute so the people who can administer this vaccine can get through as much as the over 65s as possible.

 

[M18CTID]

Leading Community Pharmacists have been posting on social media for days that they are being snubbed. If the Government have changed their position that would be very welcome.

My Dad is getting his jab on Saturday (at a rugby club house FWIW). I don’t get the obsession with 24/7 distribution either when people are getting vaccinated at weekends. We will know by Mid to late February whether the vaccine roll out is working and saving lives. All this bellyaching from some posters about a vaccination programme, a few days in, doesn’t get us far.

Aren’t the government publishing daily updates from Monday regarding the numbers vaccinated? We’ll have a better idea of how it’s going if that’s the case. On the one hand, I dread the daily case number and death updates, but on the other hand I’ll be looking forward to seeing the vaccination numbers and knowing that that figure is increasing all the time.

 

[artfuldodger]

Leading Community Pharmacists have been posting on social media for days that they are being snubbed. If the Government have changed their position that would be very welcome.

My Dad is getting his jab on Saturday (at a rugby club house FWIW). I don’t get the obsession with 24/7 distribution either when people are getting vaccinated at weekends. We will know by Mid to late February whether the vaccine roll out is working and saving lives. All this bellyaching from some posters about a vaccination programme, a few days in, doesn’t get us far.

Is it Manchester rugby club?

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Blair suggesting drive through vaccination centres etc, he must’ve seen my post on here!

No surprise he won three elections on the bounce. People don’t want to hear it but he offers real tangible solutions to these problems.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Interesting illustration of what happens when a virus becomes more infectious.



Suggests that it's actually worse for it to be more infectious than it is for it to be more deadly.

Yes, like Ebola for instance. On average around 50% have died from it and even some outbreaks have been as high as 80-90%. But because most die it doesn’t spread very well. Covid has killed more than Ebola despite Ebola’s far higher fatality rate.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

There’s a ridiculous amount of political waffle and ridiculously poor journalism; the lack of penetrating questions is becoming a national embarrassment.

Nadhim Zahawi was 'grilled' on this on Radio 4 this morning. He said that they are using the pharmacy network, but what he means is they are only using the largest places and not the entire network. Michelle Hussain did not then ask him why they were not using them all, but my suspicion is that there simply won't be the supply to need their services.

The amount of waffle about 'fill and finish' and inability to answer questions on specific numbers should have journalists smelling blood. The person in charge cannot explain when they expect to have 300,000 vaccinated a day, instead sticking to a global figure of 13 million by mid-February. Same thing happened with Test & Trace...

I also find the subtle shifting of responsibility a bit off. In recent days, I've increasingly heard Ministers say that it is the NHS that is now in charge of the roll-out, as if that now absolves them. Sounds a little contrived and I wonder why.

Agree with all of this.

I made the point yesterday that Johnson stated that the NHS had committed to it, and that the mid-Feb target requires 2 million/week from an immediate start.

If the press conference tomorrow and then on Monday don't have questions of how many doses are ready for us - and get a clear answer - then it'll be clear. No answer of "today we aim to" should be accepted without also having a "to date, we have done X vaccinations".

Zahawi always comes across to me as an unpleasant individual who speaks doublespeak. He rarely actually answers anything.

 

[Nellies left peg]

lets face it anyway anything you buy from China lasts around a week and its in the bin and im pretty sure this is designed that way because its great for their economy, you buy one it breaks so you buy another in the hope the first was a one off

I make a conscious sffort to avoid anything made in China but even things you assume are made here or in Europe can catch you out by having that oh no moment label on them and like you say are in the bin after a few weeks

 

[worsleyweb]

Admittedly I am a glass half empty type but March is only two months away and I find it really hard to believe that things will have improved that much by then. I haven't been keeping up with developments as honestly it is depressing me to think about the pandemic, but is the outlook really that good in your view? I had thought we were looking at summer best case scenario for improved quality of life, and into next year to get this thing completely under control, under the thinking that it's never fully going away.

I really hope you are right. Lots of people have lost loved ones, aren't able to see their friends and family, people are losing jobs and being made homeless, there's an obesity crisis going on due to increased food intake and lesser exercise, and just from a personal selfish point of view, I haven't been able to play my two or three times weekly 7 a side or football tournaments for almost a year, and the social interaction as well as the fact I absolutely adore playing football are huge in maintaining my mental health. I'm happy to hide away for another few months but I don't fancy another entire year of being trapped in the house.

Listen maybe it is my way of coping but i think it will get miles better this year. keep your chin up fella

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Aren’t the government publishing daily updates from Monday regarding the numbers vaccinated? We’ll have a better idea of how it’s going if that’s the case. On the one hand, I dread the daily case number and death updates, but on the other hand I’ll be looking forward to seeing the vaccination numbers and knowing that that figure is increasing all the time.

I agree mate. I think we will need more time to know if the vaccine programme is putting a dent in the virus though. I reckon we will have a good idea on that score from mid to late February