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What's the UK's status with the Moderna? Is that the one we ordered late?
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From memory I think the MHRA is meeting about it either today or on the 8th?

They don't have a European supply chain though so they will be slow and in low numbers.

Pfizer and AZ can provide us with more than we can administer at the moment anyway.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Assuming (purely from a UK point of view) that there are more approval of vaccines dosen't really matter, it's the delivery of it into bodies where the issue is.

Obviously the more the merrier for the world goes without saying.
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We’ve bought several million doses of the Moderna Vaccine. Also, the safer the wider World is, the safer the U.K. is likely to be.
 
We only ordered Moderna when results emerged about 2 or 3 months ago- so yes late and I think the 5 million doses are not due until Spring.
 
kaz7 said:
You cant be getting elderly and people with serious conditions out during the night
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Don't think anyone is suggesting that - people should inappropriately be taken out at strange hours - for some that in itself would be a risk

Some people will - needs must - have to go during the day - lots of others though - including in the priority groups - would be willing and able to go at odd times

Also we could get ahead of the curve by giving the vaccine to younger groups and thereby reduce the overall risk to everyone

Of course - the priority groups must remain the priority and there should not be a situation allowed where there is a shortage of vaccine for them

This is all about supply - get ahead of the demand on the supply front and everything can be accelerated
 
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I wonder how the third world countries will handle vaccinations, if people are been immunised will they ban them coming into the country? I can see in the future every countyr wanting a certificate very similar to getting yellow fever years ago.
 
These are the UK vaccine orders apparently :

Several of these yet to be anywhere near release

And the one just mentioned - the smallest number ordered and ordered late so some months away.


60 million doses of the Novavax vaccine

30 million doses from Janssen

40 million doses of the Pfizer

60 million doses of a vaccine by Valneva

60 million doses of protein adjuvant vaccine (whatever that is) from GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) and Sanofi Pasteur

5 million doses from Moderna US
 
as far as I know:
adjuvant vaccine - a way of diluting the antigen quantity without losing efficacy, typically by adding something else to the vaccine.

So the same amount of active agent can be used to make more doses, and possibly single dose options.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Trying to work out safest and best option re childcare. Both parents unable to work from home for at least a couple of days a week, both work in fairly to high risk environments. For the days where we don't work from home, is it safer to send kids to nursery or to grandparents in the 65-70 age group (good health, haven't already knowingly had the virus)? I genuinely have no idea what's best, weighed in the mental impact of the grandparents if we chose to put him into nursery and they don't get to spend time etc.

It was easier in March in a way when it was simply a case of contact wasn't permitted, so our mind was made up. I don't know if this néw strain is likely to be more transmissible to and from kids of that young an age group or not.
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I work in early years. I’d go with the nursery option. Grandparents can be a bit lax on the avoiding kissing and cuddling front and maybe don’t have the same hygiene practises in place. The one thing I absolutely wouldn’t do is mix and match. Stick to one or the other.
 
Healdplace said:
We only ordered Moderna when results emerged about 2 or 3 months ago- so yes late and I think the 5 million doses are not due until Spring.
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Yes and that will probably be why our regulators haven’t prioritised clearing the Moderna Vaccine. Still, 5million died of a highly effective vaccine will be helpful.
 
hammocity said:
Where in Ashton? I'm desperately trying to get information from my 88 year old dad's surgery for when his is jab is due. They won't take calls and are not answering my emails. We both live in Ashton, he's on the shielding list due to previous heart attacks, any info would be appreciated, cheers.
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She had the jab at Hyde Leisure Centre. 2nd jab this week. I know her GP is Dr Burke but no idea which practise. She is 83
 
artfuldodger said:
She had the jab at Hyde Leisure Centre. 2nd jab this week. I know her GP is Dr Burke but no idea which practise. She is 83
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Thank you, I'll try and use that info at his surgery, he's got an appointment for another issue on Tuesday so could be good leverage, much appreciated.
 
hammocity said:
Thank you, I'll try and use that info at his surgery, he's got an appointment for another issue on Tuesday so could be good leverage, much appreciated.
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For what it worth, my mum is 82 with lung cancer and hasn’t heard a peep. She is in Huddersfield. All seems very unfair.
 
artfuldodger said:
I work in early years. I’d go with the nursery option. Grandparents can be a bit lax on the avoiding kissing and cuddling front and maybe don’t have the same hygiene practises in place. The one thing I absolutely wouldn’t do is mix and match. Stick to one or the other.
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Think you're right AD. Ironically, my other half works in early years too and although will be able to work from home most days, her rota still requires her to come in either 1 or 2 days per week. It's a different establishment to where our kid goes. My own work is the higher risk setting of all, so the thought of me bringing it back to the little one and sending him off to grandparents gives me the fear...then again I have the concerns over his nursery staff and other kids etc.
 
question for those with any knowledge of the EuroMOMO representations;

the top two charts are EuroMOMO excess deaths (z-scores) for England and Wales, the bottom two are ONS charts of actual deaths in England & Wales

taking into account the different y axis units, i would say the English lines look similar. But i cannot make sense of the Wales line in the Euro data?



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kaz7 said:
You cant be getting elderly and people with serious conditions out during the night
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Yup. It’s a stupid idea.

if you can have 10 appropriately trained people giving the vaccine during the day and 10 at night then you can just as easily have 20 giving it during the day for exactly the same output.

Not to mention getting folk out in the middle of the night in winter is bound to result in the odd trip or fall requiring a bit of A&E treatment and anyone suffering an adverse reaction won’t be dealing with the issues of night time treatment either.

One small upside to all of this COVID shit is flu isn’t really being seen this year in our hospital
 
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BBC News just reporting Cheshire hospitals are transferring patients to Greater Manchester as Covid patients needing critical care are running out of beds in Cheshire.

Cheshire - kept out of the higher tiers and inherited the mess from places that were in them nearby as people went out seeking places to eat and drink. A stunningly obvious consequence they did not see over and over.

Yet still we persist in having tiers as Boris will not let them go.

He said in parliament this morning once the lockdown ends it will be done regionally into the various tiers as required.
 
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