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Churchlawtonblue said:
Massively devisive for the US. He has no doubt done significant damage to harmony within the US and its reputation abroad.

We knew Trumps ego knew no bounds but imo he should be charged for attempted sedition after the appalling events of yesterday.

However to compare him to Hitler is truly hillarious which was the point I was making Bob was it not. Or do you also think they are comparable?

Dave needs to read up on WW2 and the Hollocaust to understand the devastating impact that these events had on tens of millions of people, before he makes such flipant silly comparisons.
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You ought to remember the SA were roaming the streets decades before that.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think the key difference between Trump and Hitler (other than Hitler’s significantly better dress sense) is simply one of opportunity. If the American Constitution, however flawed, wasn’t significantly more robust in protecting democracy and the rule of law than Germany in the early 1930’s then there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that Trump would have followed a similar path to Hitler. Not in terms of mass genocide against Jews, of course, but he would have found another target for his hatred and bile - and he would have suppressed dissent to a similar extent. Don’t forget that Hitler’s views around the cancer of Jewish influence was as rooted in reality as Trump’s stated views on the election result. Both lacked any form of objective analysis, or real evidence, and were, instead, founded in severe paranoia and hatred. Both were/are completely deluded and clinically insane. Both were/are utterly malign.

So for me, the only material difference is opportunity.
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Scary thought, there is no doubt Trump would have done everything in his power to be a dictator. Imagine that piece of shit in charge of the biggest most technologically advanced military in the world. We would all be ash within a decade.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Fuck off even further. But this time with no respect whatseover.

I said this man "was" as big a danger as Hitler, not "is". The point being that if he'd remained in power and a major conflict escalated then he could have been responsible for even more deaths because he has nukes.

And don't you dare fucking patronise me to "read up" on the war. Work on your own basic comprehension, spelling and grammar skills first or people like me might think you're just more illiterate gammon.
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Oh dear, backtracking. I don't need or expect any respect from a person like you Dave. Its clear you have long been unable to provide any balance to any discussion you enter into. I just pointed out your silly post which made me smile on a dismal January morning. Keep up the good work! ;-)
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Oh dear, backtracking. I don't need or expect any respect from a person like you Dave. Its clear you have long been unable to provide any balance to any discussion you enter into. I just pointed out your silly post which made me smile on a dismal January morning. Keep up the good work! ;-)
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That's not backtracking, mate, that's breaking down a post into baby language so a person of lower intelligence can understand it.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think the key difference between Trump and Hitler (other than Hitler’s significantly better dress sense) is simply one of opportunity. If the American Constitution, however flawed, wasn’t significantly more robust in protecting democracy and the rule of law than Germany in the early 1930’s then there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that Trump would have followed a similar path to Hitler. Not in terms of mass genocide against Jews, of course, but he would have found another target for his hatred and bile - and he would have suppressed dissent to a similar extent. Don’t forget that Hitler’s views around the cancer of Jewish influence was as rooted in reality as Trump’s stated views on the election result. Both lacked any form of objective analysis, or real evidence, and were, instead, founded in severe paranoia and hatred. Both were/are completely deluded and clinically insane. Both were/are utterly malign.

So for me, the only material difference is opportunity.
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How about track record?
 
Scottyboi said:
Scary thought, there is no doubt Trump would have done everything in his power to be a dictator. Imagine that piece of shit in charge of the biggest most technologically advanced military in the world. We would all be ash within a decade.
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But he has been in charge the last 4 years? And with a republican house? The fact is he has engaged in significantly less foreign conflicts than any of his predecessors the past 70years or so.
 
hilts said:
Don’t play that game, they have been silent on Trumps behaviour.
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I am not playing any game.

Johnson has called for the transfer of power too-
“Disgraceful scenes in US Congress," tweetedPrime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain, a staunch ally of the United States over generations. “The United States stands for democracy around the world and it is now vital that there should be a peaceful and orderly transfer of power.”
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Merkel went slightly stronger than Johnson and called for Trump to “concede”.

Whilst Macron went weaker than both:
“I just wanted to express our friendship and our faith in the United States,” he said. “What happened today in Washington DC is not America. Definitely. We believe in the strength of our democracies. We believe in the strength of American democracy.”
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I honestly don’t think Johnson, nor Merkel can do much more at this stage.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Surely a contender for the most ridiculous post of the year!

Well done Dave for imagining possible conflicts and mass genocide so you can compare Trump to Hitler.

Im no fan of Trump, but the fact is he is the only US President since WW2 to have not sanctioned a new conflict with another country.
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He’s itching for a war with Iran and would love nothing more than to fire a nuke there. If the US government don’t do their fucking jobs it could yet happen.
So he’s now committed to an ‘orderly transition’? Yeah right, the guy just does not work that way.
 
Ban-jani said:
Either side with what’s going on.

We just need to stay out of it.

There’s nothing to be gained by the UK getting involved at this stage.
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We absolutely should speak up and we have a right to, as have Canada, Germany and countless others. Peaceful transfer power of vital in all countries and this cannot go unchallenged. Western powers cant stay silent on this, outright attacks on democracy and respecting elections is too important. What if it started happening here or in other Euro nations? They are also a NATO ally, and that institution needs rebuilding after Trump has tried undermining it. He got elected as a result of Putin putting him there, that is not disputed by sensible observers. NATO is there to keep all that in check.
Absolutely key that other nations condemned it and continue to do so and good on the UK
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think the key difference between Trump and Hitler (other than Hitler’s significantly better dress sense) is simply one of opportunity. If the American Constitution, however flawed, wasn’t significantly more robust in protecting democracy and the rule of law than Germany in the early 1930’s then there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that Trump would have followed a similar path to Hitler. Not in terms of mass genocide against Jews, of course, but he would have found another target for his hatred and bile - and he would have suppressed dissent to a similar extent. Don’t forget that Hitler’s views around the cancer of Jewish influence was as rooted in reality as Trump’s stated views on the election result. Both lacked any form of objective analysis, or real evidence, and were, instead, founded in severe paranoia and hatred. Both were/are completely deluded and clinically insane. Both were/are utterly malign.

So for me, the only material difference is opportunity.
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This is a great post but there is a slight difference i want to add to the pair of them.

Hitler did actually want to improve Germany in the beginning, only in his twisted world view and through his own
delusions over the problem with the country.

His narcissism in the end, with the infamous blaming of the German people for losing the war for him “they have failed me” is along the lines of what he said is very Trumpian, however I don’t think Trump actually really gives too fucks about America at all, even from the start.

He wasn’t angry with America losing out to China, he was using that to try and show off how good he thinks he is at doing business.

I would say he’s less evil in a genocidal sense to Hitler but he’s very comparable in terms of sheer narcissism.

Hitler began as a narcissist who still wanted well for his country, Trump is a narcissist who doesn’t care.

Hitler is obviously the worse historical figure but fucking hell, Trump is doing a good impression of a fascist dictator, because that’s what he wants to be and is really.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
We absolutely should speak up and we have a right too, as have Canada, Germany and countless others. Peaceful transfer power of vital in all countries and this cannot go unchallenged. Western powers cant stay silent on this, outright attacks on democracy and respecting elections is too important. What if it started happening here or in other Euro nations? They are also a NATO ally, and that institution needs rebuilding after Trump has tried undermining it. He got elected as a result of Putin putting him there, that is not disputed by sensible observers. NATO is there to keep all that in check.
Absolutely key that other nations condemned it and continue to do so and good on the UK
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We haven’t stayed silent.

Johnson has said he condemns what’s happened in the Capitol and has called for a peaceful transition of power.

His comments are not quite as strong as Merkel calling for Trump to concede but they’re significantly more strong than what Macron has said. Who has basically just said he believes in American democracy.
 
stonerblue said:
You've seen what he's done 'at home' right??
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Yes, of course , a massively divisive person who is only in it for himself. He has no shame or humility. But he isn't as bad as Hitler is he, which was where I came into this discussion? I would suggest it is far easier to make some comparisons between President Xi and Hitler if you wanted.
 
Ban-jani said:
We haven’t stayed silent.

Johnson has said he condemns what’s happened in the Capitol and has called for a peaceful transition of power.

His comments are not quite as strong as Merkel calling for Trump to concede but they’re significantly more strong than what Macron has said. Who has basically just said he believes in American democracy.
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Yes I know that we havent stayed silent. I was replying to your post that said we should stay out of it. We absolutely should not.
 
Mr. Wednesday said:
He’s itching for a war with Iran and would love nothing more than to fire a nuke there. If the US government don’t do their fucking jobs it could yet happen.
So he’s now committed to an ‘orderly transition’? Yeah right, the guy just does not work that way.
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True hes itching for it, But he hasn't done it? Same as NK. Israel will be there first backed by the US under Biden I suspect.
 
Ban-jani said:
This is a great post but there is a slight difference i want to add to the pair of them.

Hitler did actually want to improve Germany in the beginning, only in his twisted world view and through his own
delusions over the problem with the country.

His narcissism in the end, with the infamous blaming of the German people for losing the war for him “they have failed me” is along the lines of what he said is very Trumpian, however I don’t think Trump actually really gives too fucks about America at all, even from the start.

He wasn’t angry with America losing out to China, he was using that to try and show off how good he thinks he is at doing business.

I would say he’s less evil in a genocidal sense to Hitler but he’s very comparable in terms of sheer narcissism.

Hitler began as a narcissist who still wanted well for his country, Trump is a narcissist who doesn’t care.

Hitler is obviously the worse historical figure but fucking hell, Trump is doing a good impression of a fascist dictator, because that’s what he wants to be and is really.
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I‘d stay off the internet for a day or two...
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
Yes I know that we havent stayed silent. I was replying to your post that said we should stay out of it. We absolutely should not.
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It depends on the specifics I think.

I am happy with what Johnson and Merkel have said to be honest but I am reluctant, as much as it’s a fucking disgrace, for us to get too involved at this point.

What do you want the PM to do? Honest question, I’m interested to hear what you think.
 
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