Coronavirus (2021) thread

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kaz7 said:
We know people get reinfected and the experts are full of maybe about three/ six months /year ,it clearly doesnt last long
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The experts say we don’t know yet. Re infections are very rare out of millions of cases. Nothing is clear.
 
drthingy said:
It’ll probably depend where you have it. I had mine in a big sports hall and it was really well organised I didn’t come within 2 metres of anyone until I got the little prick !
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Our surgery is next to the high-school so using their hall would make sense. I've had my flu jabs since at the pharmacy which would be easier for one in one out if not raining.
The army could be used for queue discipline although using a pace stick set for 30 inches would be awkward for measuring 2 meters. Watching refs mark out 10 yards shows anything is possible for them.
 
blueparrot said:
The experts say we don’t know yet. Re infections are very rare out of millions of cases. Nothing is clear.
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I'm led to believe the low number of confirmed reinfections is likely to highly under-represent the reality. Many testing operations will not catch or highlight that the same person has tested positive twice, or actually make the effort to confirm this is the case. And there has to be a long period clear of all symptoms, otherwise it will be recorded as long covid.

Consequent reinfections are thought to be less likely to result in severe illness than the initial illness.
 
sir baconface said:
I don’t know how sound that article is or whether everybody’s always talking about the PCR test variant. Not doubting you, mate, in fact I hope you are right, but a lot of stuff gets plucked out of thin air.
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The PCR false positive stuff is absolute and complete bollocks. I could post you articles all day long.

Doesn't need anything more than taking a look at how many positives there are in OZ.
 
drthingy said:
It’ll probably depend where you have it. I had mine in a big sports hall and it was really well organised I didn’t come within 2 metres of anyone until I got the little prick !
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No standing around in the Addenbrookes vaccination centre in Cambridge. Meticulously planned, everyone distanced. wasn't allowed to accompany my parents (80+) into the actual room or I'd have hung around in case there was a spare 6th jab at the end !
 
ayrshire_blue said:


It's gone so badly wrong here so my question is what has gone even further badly wrong in Ireland for them to get to where they are now? A bad, bad way.
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People lost it with the restrictions and stopped obeying them, once the politicians started taking the piss. We lost hope really.
 
I remembered we were given figures on traffic levels by our scientists back in March, but hadn't seen any since.

I've found these from today's Times, who appear to have sourced them from Apple.

This is the first three days in March's lockdown, compared with the first three days of the current lockdown (100 would be the average in normal circumstances)

the article is here:

www.thetimes.co.uk

Shock therapy: Boris Johnson’s critics say cabinet needs massive jolt

If Boris Johnson thought performing his biggest pandemic pirouette to date — closing schools that a day earlier he had declared would remain open — would be
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk


Driving
First LockdownSecond Lockdown
Birmingham3766
England3662
Leeds3868
London3456
Manchester3460

Walking
First LockdownSecond Lockdown
Birmingham4276
England3761
Leeds4778
London2438
Manchester4468
 
aguero93:20 said:
People lost it with the restrictions and stopped obeying them, once the politicians started taking the piss. We lost hope really.
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Isn't that the case in a lot of places though, particularly the UK? I know we're up shit creek but it's mad how Ireland can somehow be so much even worse off (at this stage) in terms of numbers per population.
 
Summerbuzz said:
I remembered we were given figures on traffic levels by our scientists back in March, but hadn't seen any since.

I've found these from today's Times, who appear to have sourced them from Apple.

This is the first three days in March's lockdown, compared with the first three days of the current lockdown (100 would be the average in normal circumstances)

the article is here:

www.thetimes.co.uk

Shock therapy: Boris Johnson’s critics say cabinet needs massive jolt

If Boris Johnson thought performing his biggest pandemic pirouette to date — closing schools that a day earlier he had declared would remain open — would be
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk


Driving
First LockdownSecond Lockdown
Birmingham3766
England3662
Leeds3868
London3456
Manchester3460

Walking
First LockdownSecond Lockdown
Birmingham4276
England3761
Leeds4778
London2438
Manchester4468
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The slight difference is that businesses didn’t know what to do in March. Had to adapt to become covid secure. Large numbers were furloughed.
This time businesses are trying to make up their lost revenue, have adapted and made themselves “covid secure” and they don’t have the appetite to issue mass furlough to send everyone home.
It therefore does make sense that there will be more numbers now than March.
The question is how much do he government want to force businesses to cease activity to lower it even more.
personally, I think we need to wait more than one week to draw any conclusions. This is all knock on of December. It takes 4 weeks minimum to see the effect of any changes to restrictions.
Some one here would happily force businesses to close despite the hardship that would cause so many and reduction in standard of living and consequently length of life for those people.
There’s loads of reports and data studies about less well off areas being worst effected by the virus. They are worst effected by restrictions also.
 
ctwrd said:
The slight difference is that businesses didn’t know what to do in March. Had to adapt to become covid secure. Large numbers were furloughed.
This time businesses are trying to make up their lost revenue, have adapted and made themselves “covid secure” and they don’t have the appetite to issue mass furlough to send everyone home.
It therefore does make sense that there will be more numbers now than March.
The question is how much do he government want to force businesses to cease activity to lower it even more.
personally, I think we need to wait more than one week to draw any conclusions. This is all knock on of December. It takes 4 weeks minimum to see the effect of any changes to restrictions.
Some one here would happily force businesses to close despite the hardship that would cause so many and reduction in standard of living and consequently length of life for those people.
There’s loads of reports and data studies about less well off areas being worst effected by the virus. They are worst effected by restrictions also.
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yhp, we've been told no furlough.
 
ctwrd said:
The slight difference is that businesses didn’t know what to do in March. Had to adapt to become covid secure. Large numbers were furloughed.
This time businesses are trying to make up their lost revenue, have adapted and made themselves “covid secure” and they don’t have the appetite to issue mass furlough to send everyone home.
It therefore does make sense that there will be more numbers now than March.
The question is how much do he government want to force businesses to cease activity to lower it even more.
personally, I think we need to wait more than one week to draw any conclusions. This is all knock on of December. It takes 4 weeks minimum to see the effect of any changes to restrictions.
Some one here would happily force businesses to close despite the hardship that would cause so many and reduction in standard of living and consequently length of life for those people.
There’s loads of reports and data studies about less well off areas being worst effected by the virus. They are worst effected by restrictions also.
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It's a safe bet there's a large amount of non-commercial traffic in those areas. That surely can be targetted immediately.

I still maintain that Boris blew the unspoken commitment of many socially aware and consciencious people with the abrupt pre-Christmas u-turn. And performed the same trick again at the start of the new year Schools.

Then he blew the opportunity to engage people fully on the lockdown by making the briefings and the discussion about the distribution of Vaccines. The public become focused on something they really can't affect in any realistic manner, instead of the urgent need for everyone need to modify behaviour. You can go back in this thread and see this in action.

His third briefing, where he sent a much stronger message on compliance, was too little too late. You have to put the important message you need in people's minds up front. That's basic communications. What Boris did was put his target, his ambition up front. It's a mistake made by a narcissist. Any number of politicians might have made it - Boris is guaranteed to.

I don't understand why Whitty is the face of the campaign to get people to change their behaviour. Why not Boris, or the popular JVT?
 
Scotland

1877 cases at 10,0% positive

3 deaths. But this is Sunday data.

1598 in hospital (up 2)

123 on ventilators (up 14) Biggest daily rise here in ages.
 
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