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Seeing as though my points are not welcome elsewhere in other threads, either through a lack of interest in the points I am trying to make or a because of the sheer hatred of Trump, i will have my own thread to discuss what i was saying in the hope somebody might look beyond Trump and see the point i was trying albeit clumsily to make.

Now I have found someone who gets it, somebody far more eloquent and far cleverer than i will ever be, so maybe if you listen to him you make take notice.


 
Cant stand him but Morgan has made the point if you ban trump what about those other leaders/dictators.

It’s difficult the whole point of the social media platforms is kind of negated by censorship.

There are certain left wingers who want there to be rules whereby social media sites are responsible for the content of those posting which would effectively make it impossible for them to exist.

I don’t think trump needed to be banned for everyone to know he is an oddball
 
Seeing as though my points are not welcome elsewhere in other threads, either through a lack of interest in the points I am trying to make or a because of the sheer hatred of Trump, i will have my own thread to discuss what i was saying in the hope somebody might look beyond Trump and see the point i was trying albeit clumsily to make.

Now I have found someone who gets it, somebody far more eloquent and far cleverer than i will ever be, so maybe if you listen to him you make take notice.




No, a million times no. Not this lying, self serving twat. Literally denying the reality of the election on Nov 3, indulging the nonsense conspiracy theories of how that election was stolen, posting false information that it was ANTIFA posing as Trump supporters that entered the Capitol building.

I mean come on, what next? Steve Bannon? Give me a break.
 
Cant stand him but Morgan has made the point if you ban trump what about those other leaders/dictators.

It’s difficult the whole point of the social media platforms is kind of negated by censorship.

There are certain left wingers who want there to be rules whereby social media sites are responsible for the content of those posting which would effectively make it impossible for them to exist.

I don’t think trump needed to be banned for everyone to know he is an oddball

What starts in America, doesn’t end in America.

 
Seeing as though my points are not welcome elsewhere in other threads, either through a lack of interest in the points I am trying to make or a because of the sheer hatred of Trump, i will have my own thread to discuss what i was saying in the hope somebody might look beyond Trump and see the point i was trying albeit clumsily to make.

Now I have found someone who gets it, somebody far more eloquent and far cleverer than i will ever be, so maybe if you listen to him you make take notice.




Merkel has raised some concerns, why the hell not use that as a starting point rather than an amplifier of the voices that led to where we are today?

 
There may be a need for governments to regulate social media, but any regulations that would protect incitement to violence or incitement to overthrow a democratically elected government aren't anything I can get behind. In short, I can't think of any sensible regulations that wouldn't have resulted in Trump getting kicked off Twitter for his actions the other day (or long before).
 
Merkel has raised some concerns, why the hell not use that as a starting point rather than an amplifier of the voices that led to where we are today?

If I knew Merkel had I would have done as I was fighting a losing battle on the other thread and needed allies i could use.

Now it makes my point clearer, the corporations are dangerous and now it is being acknowledged by others.
 
Cant stand him but Morgan has made the point if you ban trump what about those other leaders/dictators.

It’s difficult the whole point of the social media platforms is kind of negated by censorship.

There are certain left wingers who want there to be rules whereby social media sites are responsible for the content of those posting which would effectively make it impossible for them to exist.

I don’t think trump needed to be banned for everyone to know he is an oddball
Who are these certain left wingers?
 
There may be a need for governments to regulate social media, but any regulations that would protect incitement to violence or incitement to overthrow a democratically elected government aren't anything I can get behind. In short, I can't think of any sensible regulations that wouldn't have resulted in Trump getting kicked off Twitter for his actions the other day (or long before).
To be honest I cant either, but something has to be done to cut corporate power
 
If I knew Merkel had I would have done as I was fighting a losing battle on the other thread and needed allies i could use.

Now it makes my point clearer, the corporations are dangerous and now it is being acknowledged by others.

There are valid points to be made on this, and I suspect we are just at the foothills of this particular journey, Trump aside which is an emotive issue, I can see this being used against a just cause as much as it can be used against someone like Trump.

We can’t leave it to corporations to police this, there has to be a standard to which they adhere and that standard has to be set by those we elect. Equally there must be safeguards against someone like Trump subverting those standards.

Apologies for my slightly intemperate first reply.
 
There are valid points to be made on this, and I suspect we are just at the foothills of this particular journey, Trump aside which is an emotive issue, I can see this being used against a just cause as much as it can be used against someone like Trump.

We can’t leave it to corporations to police this, there has to be a standard to which they adhere and that standard has to be set by those we elect. Equally there must be safeguards against someone like Trump subverting those standards.

Apologies for my slightly intemperate first reply.
Thank you Mr Kowlaski, it was kind of my point from the start but got lost in the emotion of Trump.

The corporations behind these platforms have to be reined in, I don't know how but I do know for sure that Corporate involvement and influence is not good for democracy.
 
That's the problem for me, who should regulate it.
Like has been said, big corporations shouldn't have that much power.
Government's can't be trusted.
No such thing as an independent body with this much control, power and money at stake.
What's the answer?
Make it a free for all where people can encourage like minded nutters to organise, meet up, burn crosses, lynch people or blow themselves up at concerts.
 
That's the problem for me, who should regulate it.
Like has been said, big corporations shouldn't have that much power.
Government's can't be trusted.
No such thing as an independent body with this much control, power and money at stake.
What's the answer?
Make it a free for all where people can encourage like minded nutters to organise, meet up, burn crosses, lynch people or blow themselves up at concerts.
I don't know and that in itself is a worry, because if nobody knows how to regulate them, their power increases. And then as i said in the other thread the danger is Oligarchy.

I am certain they can not be trusted to self regulate, i am also fairly certain government would regulate in the interests of the corporations who donated the most money to their campaigns, which is also a worry as that means corporate power can buy governments.

I really honestly believe that banning Trump has opened a huge can of worms and whilst i understand the reasons why people think he should be banned, the unintended consequences of that ban could be catastrophic for democracy.
 
I totally agree, the president shouldnt have been banned. It has set a bad precedent (I am so glad he was though). What if the owners of twitter/fb were supportive of the president? What if Zuckerburg or Dorsey/other want to run for president? Or if Trump actually owned a stake in these platforms?

The answer is for govn legislation and service providers adhering to it. No sharing hate, no sharing conspiracies, no misinformation - The governing bodies to decide what is misinformation and conspiracy. It isn't good but it is control.



This is interesting, about the printing press and its impact ...

"Whenever a new information technology comes along, and this includes the printing press, among the very first groups to be ‘loud’ in it are the people who were silenced in the earlier system, which means radical voices.

It takes effort to adopt a new information technology, whether it’s the ham radio, an internet bulletin board, or Instagram. The people most willing to take risks and make the effort to be early adopters are those who had no voice before that technology existed.

In the print revolution, that meant radical heresies, radical Christian splinter groups, radical egalitarian groups, critics of the government,” says Palmer. “The Protestant Reformation is only one of many symptoms of print enabling these voices to be heard.”

As critical and alternative opinions entered the public discourse, those in power tried to censor it. Before the printing press, censorship was easy. All it required was killing the “heretic” and burning his or her handful of notebooks.

But after the printing press, it became nearly impossible to destroy all copies of a dangerous idea. And the more dangerous a book was claimed to be, the more the people wanted to read it. Every time the Church published a list of banned books, the booksellers knew exactly what they should print next"
 
I totally agree, the president shouldnt have been banned. It has set a bad precedent (I am so glad he was though). What if the owners of twitter/fb were supportive of the president? What if Zuckerburg or Dorsey/other want to run for president? Or if Trump actually owned a stake in these platforms?

The answer is for govn legislation and service providers adhering to it. No sharing hate, no sharing conspiracies, no misinformation - The governing bodies to decide what is misinformation and conspiracy. It isn't good but it is control.



This is interesting, about the printing press and its impact ...

"Whenever a new information technology comes along, and this includes the printing press, among the very first groups to be ‘loud’ in it are the people who were silenced in the earlier system, which means radical voices.

It takes effort to adopt a new information technology, whether it’s the ham radio, an internet bulletin board, or Instagram. The people most willing to take risks and make the effort to be early adopters are those who had no voice before that technology existed.

In the print revolution, that meant radical heresies, radical Christian splinter groups, radical egalitarian groups, critics of the government,” says Palmer. “The Protestant Reformation is only one of many symptoms of print enabling these voices to be heard.”

As critical and alternative opinions entered the public discourse, those in power tried to censor it. Before the printing press, censorship was easy. All it required was killing the “heretic” and burning his or her handful of notebooks.

But after the printing press, it became nearly impossible to destroy all copies of a dangerous idea. And the more dangerous a book was claimed to be, the more the people wanted to read it. Every time the Church published a list of banned books, the booksellers knew exactly what they should print next"
Great post Sir
 
It isn't that he was banned from twitter, anyone can be banned for being an absolute ****.

It is the fact they are 7 years to late to ban him after letting him spout shite long before he was president.

As said anyone can be banned, being president shouldn't matter and social media were too cowardly to fuck the dickhead off many years ago.


Part of me says don't ban as it drives the loons underground, at the same time these sites have rules and if you break them you get banned.

Personnaly I don't care if he on there or not most of the people who used to reply or retweet the twat was ridiculing him.
 
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