Political relations between UK-EU
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BobKowalski
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Perhaps, it’s more the ignorance of how trade works and what a Single Market is that concerns me more.
Four years on and people still have no clue. It’s like reality went walkabouts and ain’t coming back anytime soon.
Rascal
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So Brexit is now Labour members fault. There is no such thing as a sensible Tory.
This is what we could have had, if it wasn't for the Social liberals who infested the Labour Party from the Blair years had not whinged and moaned and waved their little blue flags. Refused to back the Labour left and cost us an election victory and a decent Brexit outcome.
Labour Leave's Top 5 Manifesto Objectives
bluethrunthru
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This all day long. All of Brexits architects knew the damage it was going to do to trade, jobs, workers rights, peoples wealth and food and animal husbandry standards so they just kept quiet about it. Whenever these were raised they shouted " Project Fear" and then they just outright lied about benefits for individuals that they knew were never coming. If they would have had a time machine and let everyone come to this month then go back to 2016 they could never have won.
blueish swede
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The glaringly obvious problem is with points 2 and 3, because the EU class the movement of goods, capital and people as well as the freedom to offer services as one indivisible entity - "The Four Freedoms".
You have made exactly the same mistake that Johnson and the Brexiteers made in failing to understand that the other side in the negotiation also has an opinion. You would have failed just as badly as Johnson because of it.
mancity2012_eamo
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west didsblue
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Too many people think having an FTA is pretty much the same as being in a Single Market.
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Well we couldn’t because no body would vote for it, the only Labour party that people will vote for is a social liberal one. Until Labours self indulgent deluded members understand that they will remain outside any decision making. So yes the members that elected Corbyn are as much to blame for a shit brexit and a shit government as much as the tories.
Spot on sir
Neither Labour members nor Labour voters wanted that. A clear majority wanted Remain.
We've just tamed most of the wild Tory Brexiteers, please don't bring the Marxist fantasies here.
Happy fish know the difference.
Except most of the members that elected Corbyn wanted Remain. One of the great disconnects in the history of how on earth Brexit happened.
1.618034
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Ah. The old "if only it was the right sort of Brexit" excuse. FFS.
Brexit means Brexit! It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma and served by cunts.
It was always going to be a shit-show, you could see that from fucking Pluto!
The best analogy I heard was; Brexit is like trying to remove an egg from an omelette.
Sums it up for me. Not only do you never get your egg back but the omelette's fucked too.
mancity2012_eamo
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So.
You’re saying it leaves everyone with egg on their face.
1.618034
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Yes and I'm not yoking!
Actually, it's a smaller omelette but the Danes seem OK with the extra fish course (and I reckon Ireland will soon find a work round - the only place where the UK/EU 200 mile limit comes right to the shore).
As for an enigma, it's a bit like this:
When you need to do a number two, how does a fart get past the poo?
Except there may be a logical answer to that, but there's no logic to Brexit.
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Rascal
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Yay!, the far left remarks once again.
I do find it strange that people so readily dismiss the left whilst at the same time are happy to embrace extreme right wing economics because it offers the occasional small sop to the working class. It is like dogs waiting for crumbs from his master's table.
Everyday we see the disintegration of the UK caused by the effects of these economic policies, everyday we see the harm done to the great institutions of the UK from these extreme economic policies and everyday we see inequality rise because of these extreme economic policies
Yet you still deride the left, the people who want to call a halt on these extreme economic policies.
You call fairness and decency "Marxist fantasy" this is where the Pro-Eu fanatics have taken us, they are happy to bow to the mammon of Neo-liberalism as long as the fantasy of free movement of people and goods remain in place, they are happy to subjugate themselves to continental dominion as long as the occasional scrap from the Capitalist's table is thrown in their direction.
My god man, what happened to the people of the UK when they so readily defer to RW domination of their lives and dismiss the left as Marxists. It is almost the anti-leftist Trumpian rhetoric we have seen used against Antifa.
The myopia of the Pro-EU fanatics has left them at the mercy of the Libertarian right and the little blue flag waving middles classes will not be the ones to suffer most, it won't be the Social Liberals armed with their litany of self satisfactory noble causes that will suffer most, it will be the working class kids on council estates, it will be homeless, the starving and the poor who suffer most and you dismiss the likes of me as a Marxist Fantasist.
If I was a crass controversialist I would say "you deserve everything your myopia brings you" but as I am not I will continue to try and convince you there is a different path, a more worthy path, a more equal path and a path away from the future you will be living because Brexit has given the UK the opportunity to move away from RW extreme economics and towards a Democratic Socialist future.