Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

You can instigate blanket daily testing. You can stop returning patients from hospital. You can lock down further to reduce the risk to workers. You can follow through on getting patients and carers vaccinated first, as was promised in December. Rather than changing the goalposts all the time.

Defeatism is a disgusting thing and it plagues the west's responses. It's politically opportune excuse mongering. You can do many, many things, which we chose not to. Instead we wheeled out excuses as to why none of it was worth it. History will show that with excruciating clarity.

Absolutely.

And, of course, over and above all of that, prioritise public health and dive down cases.

We let this get out of control. We didn't have to.

 

[robbieh]

As numbers are much higher than in Spain despite the latter still having bars and restaurants open, this must be about the UK variant being much more infectious. No?

 

[Quad]

You can instigate blanket daily testing. You can stop returning patients from hospital. You can lock down further to reduce the risk to workers. You can follow through on getting patients and carers vaccinated first, as was promised in December. Rather than changing the goalposts all the time.

Defeatism is a disgusting thing and it plagues the west's responses. It's politically opportune excuse mongering. You can do many, many things, which we chose not to. Instead we wheeled out excuses as to why none of it was worth it. History will show that with excruciating clarity.

A women on my street her care home she owns does this

but I’m guessing staffing levels are low at homes as it is care providers wouldnt have the cover

 

[cleavers]

average is 4/5 days for symptoms.

An average is just that, an average, so could be 2 could be 7, I don't think there is a christmas or new year spike just anomalies in data.

 

[cleavers]

I see we now have a new highest day by specimen date for the pandemic, it was April 8th (1073), it's now January 11th (1077), lets hope that is the peak.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

As numbers are much higher than in Spain despite the latter still having bars and restaurants open, this must be about the UK variant being much more infectious. No?

Numbers in Spain recently have been just as big if not bigger than the UK, in terms of infections anyway.

 

[BlueAnorak]

You can instigate blanket daily testing. You can stop returning patients from hospital. You can lock down further to reduce the risk to workers. You can follow through on getting patients and carers vaccinated first, as was promised in December. Rather than changing the goalposts all the time.

Defeatism is a disgusting thing and it plagues the west's responses. It's politically opportune excuse mongering. You can do many, many things, which we chose not to. Instead we wheeled out excuses as to why none of it was worth it. History will show that with excruciating clarity.

They do blanket testing (twice a week PCR test for most care staff + Daily LF tests). Care home residents have been jabbed once Care home workers are being jabbed last week and this week.
Until care home residents have the 2nd jab and 9 days have elapsed residents will still catch the virus.
The virus still gets in. The more community transmission there is the more likely the virus will get in. Dealing with community Covidiots more strictly is the only way to stop that.
The Asymptomatic nature of this disease is a nightmare.

 

[grunge]

An average is just that, an average, so could be 2 could be 7, I don't think there is a christmas or new year spike just anomalies in data.

yeah an average is exactly that. if an average if 4/5 day then most people who get it will get symptoms in 4/5 days with outliers on the fringes

Im gonna see if I can see what the deal is with that specimen date thing though as if there are bottle necks its misleading data from what they claim it to be. to the same level reported date of death is misleading in the reality of it.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Numbers in Spain recently have been just as big if not bigger than the UK, in terms of infections anyway.

Yes a massive spike. The cold snap has made it worse too. But they don't have mega vitamin D deficiency like we have so cases don't translate into as many hospitalised and then deaths.

 

[somapop]

BBC news facebook comments to this are so warped, it's like they are being trolled by Trump fans. all in complete denial and calling it a hoax. something has to be done by social media company's about all this

That link to the qanon in the U.K. posted yesterday was both interesting & shocking.

I’d instigate one of those social media badges (like the D day/GBLT banners) as a ‘dunces hat’ on every single platform they use.

 

[jazzy]

They do blanket testing (twice a week PCR test for most care staff + Daily LF tests). Care home residents have been jabbed once Care home workers are being jabbed this week.
Until care home residents have the 2nd jab and 9 days have elapsed residents will still catch the virus.
The virus still gets in. The more community transmission there is the more likely the virus will get in. Dealing with community Covidiots more strictly is the only way to stop that.
The Asymptomatic nature of this disease is a nightmare
First jab will take effect after 14 days(Pfizer) the second is a booster for longer term immunity

 

[grunge]

Yes a massive spike. The cold snap has made it worse too. But they don't have mega vitamin D deficiency like we have so cases don't translate into as many hospitalised and then deaths.

The Dr Campbell videos that discussed VitD in the past pointed out that in hot countries there is actually a lot of VitD deficiency due to people hiding from the sun. A lot of the initial studies into VitD and its benefits were from Spain.

 

[somapop]

That feet pain continues and it’s getting pretty uncomfortable.
Suggests covid toe bit no patches yet....just throbbing, persistent pain.
That paracetamol box has had its work cut out of late...

 

[MillionMilesAway]

That feet pain continues and it’s getting pretty uncomfortable.
Suggests covid toe bit no patches yet....just throbbing, persistent pain.
That paracetamol box has had its work cut out of late...

Are you eating the box? Not sure that's the right way to do it.

Hope you're better soon.

 

[somapop]

Are you eating the box? Not sure that's the right way to do it.

Hope you're better soon.

Everything tastes of cardboard anyway...

 

[kaz7]

That feet pain continues and it’s getting pretty uncomfortable.
Suggests covid toe bit no patches yet....just throbbing, persistent pain.
That paracetamol box has had its work cut out of late...

Stick some frozen peas on them , wrapped in a towel

 

[robbieh]

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Numbers in Spain recently have been just as big if not bigger than the UK, in terms of infections anyway.

41 k new cases today. But my point still stands, essentially apart from a few days in early December when the tier system finished, it seems the UK has been closed whereas here since June bars have been open all the time, although admittedly restricted to 6om at the moment. Can only think the new variant has something to do with it, and also a worry when it takes hold here if it hasn't already.

 

[GornikDaze]

Stick some frozen peas on them , wrapped in a towel

Doesn't that make them harder to swallow? ;)

 

[Healdplace]

Regional Scoreboard summary:

Sadly this was not a good day for the North West.

Only 900 behind London. When 3 weeks ago London was 10,000 ahead shows the improvement there and where the worst of the rising cases have been.

Not at crisis levels but we are looking like days away from the NW officially becoming the worst area in the pandemic.

NW rose today by the most of any region - up 1269 to 5280.

London fell from 10, 020 a week ago to just 6190 after falling steadily.

South East did rise by 896 to 5484 but it too is trending down.

Hopefully this is a one day blip as daily totals do fluctuate. We will see.

 

[BlueAnorak]

This surely can't be right.

It gets confusing between the nations, but England alone hospital deaths peak by date of death was 756, on 12th January.

The peak in admissions was actually on the same day, 4134

756/4134 = 18%

Even with lags etc, there's no way it's 8% I think?

Have I made some obvious error here? Where's your number from?

Daily deaths data by date of death (England)

Statistics » COVID-19 Daily Deaths

Health and high quality care for all, <br />now and for future generations

www.england.nhs.uk

Admissions data

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Two studies back in October. One in the US and one in the UK.

UK study (March to June)

https://journals.lww.com/ccmjournal/Fulltext/2021/02000/Improving_Survival_of_Critical_Care_Patients_With.5.aspx

US study (March to August)

Trends in COVID-19 Risk-Adjusted Mortality Rates

*Corresponding Author: Leora I Horwitz, MD, MHS; Email: Leora.Horwitz@nyulangone.org; Telephone: 646-501-2685; Twitter: @leorahorwitzmd.

www.journalofhospitalmedicine.com

Things may have improved more with the anti-imflamatary treatments approved since but the critical care report October- December 2020 will tell us that.

You also have to match cases to deaths (as that is the 3 week period) hospitalisation occurs somewhere in between.