Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Ric]

Hurrah!. A hefty fine for everyone who attends a party.

An obvious thing mentioned in here that is way overdue.

You want a party you accept the fine as a fee you charge all who attend.

Most will not pay £800 fines each.

£800 fine "if you attend a house party with 15+ people". Does that mean no fine if there are fewer than 15 there?!

 

[ganganvince]

Trial results expected at the end of January.
(for clarity, this is also called a Johnson & Johnson vaccine).

Thanks just with it being a one shot job will help out greatly.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Thanks just with it being a one shot job will help out greatly.

Certainly would - just having another vaccine is a good thing, especially with JnJ's production power.

That info was dated as last Sunday - after that it has to go regulators, so probably start of March at best for use.

 

[johnnytapia]

£800 fine "if you attend a house party with 15+ people". Does that mean no fine if there are fewer than 15 there?!

When they come up with this shit does anyone think of running it by someone/ anyone with an IQ in the double figure range?

 

[SidJames]

I am getting confused about the figures if I am being honest.

I read an article in the Telegraph today. That had a graph, with side by side comparisons, and yearly average UK mortality rates.

Sure there were mortality Spikes.

Confusingly though ,mortality spikes recently attributed to Covid over say the last year and a half, directly correlated with previous mortality spikes over the last few years that were attributed to seasonal Flu.

Let me make this clear, I AM NOT questioning that Covid is real. Of course Covid is real, The evidence is everywhere.

It is also beyond doubt that there have been many mortalities to Covid.

Why though do these Covid spikes correlate directly with Flu spikes from previous years.

This is what is confusing me.

In fact why is it so hard find any recent data on flu mortalities.

The only plausible explanation i can come up with. Is the lockdown virtually eradicated seasonal Flu. Yet if that was the case, then why did Covid deaths rise over the same period ?. both are contagious airborne diseases.

Not sure what is going on. Maybe the author was lying with the graphs.

Or maybe Covid numbers are deliberately being exaggerated.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Priti ‘quite frankly’ Patel

Certainly comes across as a fairly unpleasant person. May be an image she wants to foster, may just be her naturally unfortunate manner.

 

[mosssideblue]

They should be doing something even if it's estimated.

As I responded to another poster earlier. If the Government gave a date and then had to renague on it due to circumstances out of their control, people would lay into them.

It's too early imo to be thinking the end game is in sight because vaccinations have started. We need much more info and feedback on the vaccine, before definitive can be given.

 

[Blue Maverick]

All a show. Schools were told by DfE this week they would lose all funding for nursery children if they weren’t seen to be encouraging their attendance. And they massively widened the key worker criteria. And some parents are selfish arseholes. We had SEVEN kids in during 1st lockdown all children of NHS or care home staff. We have 72 in next week with more to follow. This will kill people. Parents brothers sisters, teachers TAs caretakers, it will help overload the hospitals so forgive me but their shouting is all a facade ( and yes, I do know it should have a cedilla!). They are utterly fucking inept and downright lethal

Yep noticed that massively we live in the same street my daughter goes to, we have kept her off, but they’re are loads of kids this time, it’s a joke but we still won’t send ours.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I’ve read a couple more articles on line just now including Israel refusing to provide vaccines for 8,000 Palestinian Medics, who are critical to Covid and wider patient care in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. It’s pretty despicable.

Tim, Israel has tried to send vaccinations even though it isn’t their responsibility to do so. However they have been refused by the ruling authority who are now lying to gain international support. Lying is something that comes to them naturally.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

One thing I took from the press conference was the news that Asian and Black communities are the concern group for declining the vaccination offer. The doctor didn’t give stats so not sure how bad that is but clearly a concern.

 

[M18CTID]

I am getting confused about the figures if I am being honest.

I read an article in the Telegraph today. That had a graph, with side by side comparisons, and yearly average UK mortality rates.

Sure there were mortality Spikes.

Confusingly though ,mortality spikes recently attributed to Covid over say the last year and a half, directly correlated with previous mortality spikes over the last few years that were attributed to seasonal Flu.

Let me make this clear, I AM NOT questioning that Covid is real. Of course Covid is real, The evidence is everywhere.

It is also beyond doubt that there have been many mortalities to Covid.

Why though do these Covid spikes correlate directly with Flu spikes from previous years.

This is what is confusing me.

In fact why is it so hard find any recent data on flu mortalities.

The only plausible explanation i can come up with. Is the lockdown virtually eradicated seasonal Flu. Yet if that was the case, then why did Covid deaths rise over the same period ?. both are contagious airborne diseases.

Not sure what is going on. Maybe the author was lying with the graphs.

Or maybe Covid numbers are deliberately being exaggerated.

I’m no expert but the fact that people are mixing far less will surely have an impact on flu numbers. And Covid is far more infectious than flu, moreso this new variant. You can catch it just by touching a surface in a supermarket while doing everything right which tells you all you need to know, whereas I’m guessing that it’s doubtful you could catch flu that way.
I would also add that plenty of people with Covid are asymptomatic so don’t even know they’ve got it which is dangerous as they won’t be isolating, meaning they can easily pass it on. However, if you had the flu you’d know about it and you probably wouldn’t go out of your house.

 

[Healdplace]

GM scoreboard highlights:


Not a bad day but other parts of the NW still doing slightly better than Greater Manchester.

Liverpool - for example - had its lowest score in nearly 3 weeks today at just 383. Week to week that is a fall over the past weeks from 792 to 696 to 383.

These steep falls on Merseyside and in East Lancashire (both of which had further to fall than GM) are the main reasons why pro rata GM is inching up.

Today cases in GM fell from 1579 to 1337 - versus last Thursday that is a good drop of 580 as it was then 1917.

However, the fall day to day in GM was 242 of the NW fall of 849. This was a small enough split of the overall drop in the region to inch the GM % of the NW up a bit from 29.9 to 30.2%.

That is no big deal and not significant as GM is still far below the 53% of the NW it was at in October when driving the pandemic here at that time.

But it is UP 1% on the split of the NW cases as it was 29.2% seven days ago when the NW total was 6560 - which is 2129 more than today.

Nowhere in GM had a bad day. Especially given we know well over 600, 000 tests were carried out in the UK.

Most fell but only modestly. Manchester and Wigan down by the most. Wigan all the way to 148 and Manchester to its lowest in a couple of weeks at 257.

Only Bolton rose (but just by 2)

Two boroughs - Oldham and Bury - were below 100 cases today.

Oldham continues to show remarkable improvement for the only borough in GM with a Pop Score over 8000 - so a minimum of 8% of the population having had Covid (though it will be way more than that as these are just the numbers who tested positive in the town).

Oldham is doing nothing to dent my suspicion that they may be the closest to herd immunity in GM and so are not finding cases as easily spread now than the places with more left who have not been infected.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

After that hard hitting covid report from a hospital ward by Clive Myrie the other day, why the fuck are the BBC asking Boris when restrictions will be lifted and then having their leading headline of the day on the 6o’clock news “Boris Johnson won’t set a date for when restrictions will be lifted”?

Are they fucking stupid?

The media don’t half do my head in!

 

[mackenzie]

GM scoreboard highlights:


Not a bad day but other parts of the NW still doing slightly better than Greater Manchester.

Liverpool - for example - had its lowest score in nearly 3 weeks today at just 383. Week to week that is a fall over the past weeks from 792 to 696 to 383.

These steep falls on Merseyside and in East Lancashire (both of which had further to fall than GM) are the main reasons why pro rata GM is inching up.

Today cases in GM fell from 1579 to 1337 - versus last Thursday that is a good drop of 580 as it was then 1917.

However, the fall day to day in GM was 242 of the NW fall of 849. This was a small enough split of the overall drop in the region to inch the GM % of the NW up a bit from 29.9 to 30.2%.

That is no big deal and not significant as GM is still far below the 53% of the NW it was at in October when driving the pandemic here at that time.

But it is UP 1% on the split of the NW cases as it was 29.2% seven days ago when the NW total was 6560 - which is 2129 more than today.

Nowhere in GM had a bad day. Especially given we know well over 600, 000 tests were carried out in the UK.

Most fell but only modestly. Manchester and Wigan down by the most. Wigan all the way to 148 and Manchester to its lowest in a couple of weeks at 257.

Only Bolton rose (but just by 2)

Two boroughs - Oldham and Bury - were below 100 cases today.

Oldham continues to show remarkable improvement for the only borough in GM with a Pop Score over 8000 - so a minimum of 8% of the population having had Covid (though it will be way more than that as these are just the numbers who tested positive in the town).

Oldham is doing nothing to dent my suspicion that they may be the closest to herd immunity in GM and so are not finding cases as easily spread now than the places with more left who have not been infected.

I'm in Oldham and throughout late October and November I heard daily of either a colleague or friend/acquaintance who had tested positive. It just seemed to go mad.
Since then, very few.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I am getting confused about the figures if I am being honest.

I read an article in the Telegraph today. That had a graph, with side by side comparisons, and yearly average UK mortality rates.

Sure there were mortality Spikes.

Confusingly though ,mortality spikes recently attributed to Covid over say the last year and a half, directly correlated with previous mortality spikes over the last few years that were attributed to seasonal Flu.

Let me make this clear, I AM NOT questioning that Covid is real. Of course Covid is real, The evidence is everywhere.

It is also beyond doubt that there have been many mortalities to Covid.

Why though do these Covid spikes correlate directly with Flu spikes from previous years.

This is what is confusing me.

In fact why is it so hard find any recent data on flu mortalities.

The only plausible explanation i can come up with. Is the lockdown virtually eradicated seasonal Flu. Yet if that was the case, then why did Covid deaths rise over the same period ?. both are contagious airborne diseases.

Not sure what is going on. Maybe the author was lying with the graphs.

Or maybe Covid numbers are deliberately being exaggerated.

While both viruses can linger in the air, and covid does linger in the air longer than flu; neither influenza nor SARS-CoV-2 are airborne diseases. They are both spread from human-to-human-close-contact or surface-to-hand-to-face transmission.

However, Covid has a longer incubation period than flu and 1 in 3 people who contract covid show no symptoms at all. Therefore covid is spread more widely than flu because people don’t know they’ve got for either 4 days longer than flu symptoms show or people don’t know they’ve got it at all, so just carry on as normal spreading it around.

 

[Nellies left peg]

Because we have a vaccine, it is natural for people to become excited at the prospect of having a date in the calendar as to when we all come out of hybernatiin, but I think that is an unreal expectation as there are still too many unknowns at the moment to realistically call a return to normal date.

I'm in Oldham and throughout late October and November I heard daily of either a colleague or friend/acquaintance who had tested positive. It just seemed to go mad.
Since then, very few.

You seem a bit of a jinx like Worsley

 

[mosssideblue]

You seem a bit of a jinx like Worsley

Who are you quoting? If me, care to expand

 

[mackenzie]

You seem a bit of a jinx like Worsley

I haven't had it so far, my partner now calls me Typhoid Mary lol.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Tim, Israel has tried to send vaccinations even though it isn’t their responsibility to do so. However they have been refused by the ruling authority who are now lying to gain international support. Lying is something that comes to them naturally.

It’s very difficult to know who is telling the truth. You have two despicable regimes at loggerheads. Israel could get the vaccines to the Palestinian medics if they really wanted to.

 

[Nellies left peg]

Who are you quoting? If me, care to expand

Don't know what happened there mate was quoting mackenzie