Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Healdplace said:
I do not understand this story about the 400 strong wedding party.

They all ran away and so they fine the organiser. Okay

But the guests all chose to break the rules. The organisers know who they all were as they invited them.

They should put the organisers in a police holding cell and let them stay there until they release the names of those present so they all can be fined - not just the handful not quick enough to run away as hundreds did when police arrived.

We need to send a message that this is not something that will be tolerated. You break the rules. You pay.
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Disgusting behaviour, the only ones who should escape a fine are any children dragged along by their families.

I would be going on TV saying that anyone who comes forward now will be fined £200, anyone who is traced after the event will cop for the new £800 fine.

The fact the 400 people are prepared to ignore the rules in the week where we have seen record deaths is a disgrace.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I tried to explain the background behind this earlier.

Short version: too early to tell, but nothing to worry about so far.

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Just back from my jab in Royton, smooth operation, 10 mins in a queue. Given the AZ one, told they'll be in touch in around 12 weeks and sent out of the building straight away. Everyone having it look around my age 57. Got a very slight headache over my right eye but otherwise fine so far.
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Thanks. I didn't check earlier posts. Got a txt yesterday and spent all evening trying to book an appointment. Kept getting no appts avail, try again. And it kept doing that even at 0600.
Rang the surgery and straightaway they gave me a date and confirmed it before l had gone to calendar page. So we'll done to them on that but l do worry about people who have not got it despite being in category. A bit of a post code lottery.
 
give it to gordon said:
what happens when they cant pay ? prison or £1 a week ?
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Community service.
Litter picking, the streets are a disgrace.
Graffiti removal.
Pot hole filling.
Tidying up community areas.
There's plenty to do that would benefit the country.
And maybe restore some pride while hopefully making these selfish twats stop and think about others instead of themselves for a change.
 
Vaccination update

Wales

212, 732 total vaccinations

21, 882 ist doses yesterday - up significantly from 13/14.000 in previous 2 days

Plus 19 second doses
 
Healdplace said:
They are doing first and second jabs at once now and have been since early January. Both numbers are posted in here every day.

They are also constantly increasing the number of places where they are available, getting more and more vaccines on stream and by the time this becomes a real issue in April, will have the capacity to do as many first jabs as now plus the same number of second jabs.

The primary aim is to give everyone vulnerable and over the age of 70 both jabs by April which is achievable.

You do that and eliminate 90% of the risk of serious illness and death.

That is the trade off here and obviously the right one even if it means some of the younger age groups only get a first dose by mid Summer. Though it is quite possible they could do both for all who want one by end of June given all going well. Even one dose to the younger is likely enough to prevent most being very ill from this.

I criticise the government a lit if warranted but so far they are getting the vaccine roll out right when plenty of other nations are not.

So far are the key words though.
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Thanks. Blue Mooners have been very helpful and tell me more than l glean from the media.
You are very well informed as if you are still involved but a previous post made me think you were no longer working. I remember the use of the word' brava' so l am trying to be gentlemanly;)
 
Not unreasonable to suggest that Scotland will be back in triple figures soon for number of daily infections. Sounds incredible that I'm saying this given it would still represent a really high number and needs to keep driving down but its a far cry than the 2700 or so from a few weeks ago.
 
Finally a little explanation on what the 33% efficacy of first jab in the Israeli study meant.

1. Data only available to 18 days post first dose.
2. Shows no change to day 12 compared to unvaccinated then 33% less cases per capita each day from day 14 - day 18 if vaccinated.



My take:

1. Good news - the vaccine is indeed reducing cases in the real world post first dose.
2. Bad news... these results are, as reported, not as good as those from the trial.

BUT

3. Not comparable to the trial (1): this includes asymptomatic and we don't know at what proportion, whereas trial was symptomatic only.
4. Far too short a time period to draw conclusions.
5. Not comparable to the trial (2): we have no idea to what extent vaccinated people take more risks, so may just reflect that once people are vaccinated they merrily go around licking other people for the sheer joy of it(!)
6. We don't know how serious these cases were, and reducing severity of infection is the main point of vaccination.

Overall: interesting, but not directly relevant either way to the UK one dose strategy, or long term efficacy.

All just my own views, not remotely definitive, treat with due scepticism.
 
So, assuming the vaccine works sufficiently and we manage to bring cases down and keep them down but that it doesn’t stop transmission completely, when do you think testing will stop and also the need to isolate when you have it?

I suppose they’re linked, you won’t know for definite if you have it if there’s no testing but surely testing won’t go on indefinitely?
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Finally a little explanation on what the 33% efficacy of first jab in the Israeli study meant.

1. Data only available to 18 days post first dose.
2. Shows no change to day 12 compared to unvaccinated then 33% less cases per capita each day from day 14 - day 18 if vaccinated.



My take:

1. Good news - the vaccine is indeed reducing cases in the real world post first dose.
2. Bad news... these results are, as reported, not as good as those from the trial.

BUT

3. Not comparable to the trial (1): this includes asymptomatic and we don't know at what proportion, whereas trial was symptomatic only.
4. Far too short a time period to draw conclusions.
5. Not comparable to the trial (2): we have no idea to what extent vaccinated people take more risks, so may just reflect that once people are vaccinated they merrily go around licking other people for the sheer joy of it(!)
6. We don't know how serious these cases were, and reducing severity of infection is the main point of vaccination.

Overall: interesting, but not directly relevant either way to the UK one dose strategy, or long term efficacy.

All just my own views, not remotely definitive, treat with due scepticism.
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Thanks. That doesn't sound too good re hopes about a sterilising effect in people i.e. reductions in tranmission. Perhaps that will come with the 2nd dose.
 
Mike Cledford said:
Thanks. Blue Mooners have been very helpful and tell me more than l glean from the media.
You are very well informed as if you are still involved but a previous post made me think you were no longer working. I remember the use of the word' brava' so l am trying to be gentlemanly;)
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Thank you for remembering that brava reference - but be as blunt as you like. Been around the block enough for it not to phase me out.

However, I am not 'involved' as such - only self informed because I have the time to do it and the inclination as I trust looking things up myself at source rather than what we get told in stage managed press conferences by politicians who present their own version of day to day reality - regardless of party of origin.

On and off I have been involved with the media and employed by both ITV and BBC (and Sky too) but it was on my terms not as their employee. This has given me some insight into how stories are told and how only occasionally are the facts more important than the presentation.

The editor of the News of the World taught me that long ago.
 
Sturgeon seems quite welcoming of this £500 suggestion to people who test positive. I can see what they're trying to do, and can understand the benefits, but I still have major concerns that people will use this to try and get themselves infected or at the very least become complacent. Potential to backfire hugely has it not?
 
Worth noting from that ONS data that the % people infected who are over 70 is really low so the vaccine is not going to have much effect yet on the rate of new infections. We can expect it to reduce transmission.

A second point which doesn't matter now but will matter in time:

When the over 80s and over 70s they go back home. What do you do when the over 50s get vaccinated? That wont be too far away. This group is going to want to get on with their life, and telling them no will be a lot harder than it is for over 80s
 
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