The Scottish Politics thread

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Ban-jani said:
Peter Hitchens said yesterday the UK government should call the referendum as soon as possible, but the tactics should be to sell the Union as much as possible, give the Scots exactly what they want and then when they “inevitably” in his words, vote to leave, tell them they can rejoin any time and are welcome back. Show them that we’re their true allies and countrymen

Thinks that it’s inevitable they will leave but will return pretty quickly.

Once this happens the Union between at least England, Wales and Scotland, at least, will be secure for a very long time.
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That is a very bold and open approach, and i could imagine it it working.

But can you see this government ever trying something respectful or inclusive?
 
Ban-jani said:
Galloway said yesterday that Salmond was completely framed and this will be the end of Sturgeon, thinks there is going to be a civil war in the SNP.

I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes but it’s going to get interesting.
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Yeah i've been reading this for years.

I think people may be holding their breath for ages if waiting for that.

Ultimately, i doubt enough care for Salmond to put themselves or the party through it, however influential he may seem.
 
Coatigan said:
That is a very bold and open approach, and i could imagine it it working.

But can you see this government ever trying something respectful or inclusive?
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The reason the UK government won’t is precisely the reason I think the next one will do the same, ie kick it down the road to the next PM, they won’t want to be the PM that lost the Union.

You’ll be remembered terribly for it and it will be their legacy.

Johnson doesn’t want to be both the PM that cocked up Covid and lost the Union.

It’s worst PM ever category, even if the latter isn’t necessarily his fault.
 
Coatigan said:
Yeah i've been reading this for years.

I think people may be holding their breath for ages if waiting for that.

Ultimately, i doubt enough care for Salmond to put themselves or the party through it, however influential he may seem.
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Think you’re right, the push in the party is one thing and one thing only, independence.

It does, however, show how evil Sturgeon is. She was happy for him to face jail for it.
 
Ban-jani said:
Think you’re right, the push in the party is one thing and one thing only, independence.

It does, however, show how evil Sturgeon is. She was happy for him to face jail for it.
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That is if you beleive she was involved in 'framing' him. Knowing ablut it earlier than publicly stated isn't the same thing.

Ultimately, 14 different accusations from 11 women came about (excuse figures if not right, i didn't study the damn thing). It would have been irresponsible not to act on that or see it go through courts. It would have also been irresponsible to give him any support over such serious accusations, both publicly and privately.

I think people and media will inevitably look to find more juice in it than there is. And he himself may be bitter at not receiving support he thoight he had a right to. But even if he did, he surely gets it would have been the weong message to send.
 
Coatigan said:
That is if you beleive she was involved in 'framing' him. Knowing ablut it earlier than publicly stated isn't the same thing.

Ultimately, 14 different accusations from 11 women came about (excuse figures if not right, i didn't study the damn thing). It would have been irresponsible not to act on that or see it go through courts. It would have also been irresponsible to give him any support over such serious accusations, both publicly and privately.

I think people and media will inevitably look to find more juice in it than there is. And he himself may be bitter at not receiving support he thoight he had a right to. But even if he did, he surely gets it would have been the weong message to send.
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There’s something incredibly untoward about it all and there’s some serious accusations levelled at the SNP leadership.

It’ll all come out in the wash I suppose.
 
The next few days will be pivotal. Salmond tomorrow and Nicola next week. It is a gift from heaven for the Scottish Tories/Labour. It remains to be seen how much it will influence the elections in May. Salmond really selflessly helping the National cause he spent his entire political life pushing. It has the potential to tear the upper echelons of the party apart. Some will remember I joined the SNP a couple of months ago. The closer I get, the less likely I think they can deliver independence. Revisit this next week.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
The next few days will be pivotal. Salmond tomorrow and Nicola next week. It is a gift from heaven for the Scottish Tories/Labour. It remains to be seen how much it will influence the elections in May. Salmond really selflessly helping the National cause he spent his entire political life pushing. It has the potential to tear the upper echelons of the party apart. Some will remember I joined the SNP a couple of months ago. The closer I get, the less likely I think they can deliver independence. Revisit this next week.
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Honestly don't know what to make of all this and who to believe. Salmond is clearly out to deliver vengeance but this recent thing with the courts (apparently in Sturgeons pocket) shutting him up after weeks of demanding he put up also stinks a bit. If Sturgeon can just get through this without having to resign I don't think she or the SNP will be damaged - her appeal is based upon the whole indy movt and sticking it to Westminster, not being a nice or even basically decent human.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Honestly don't know what to make of all this and who to believe. Salmond is clearly out to deliver vengeance but this recent thing with the courts (apparently in Sturgeons pocket) shutting him up after weeks of demanding he put up also stinks a bit. If Sturgeon can just get through this without having to resign I don't think she or the SNP will be damaged - her appeal is based upon the whole indy movt and sticking it to Westminster, not being a nice or even basically decent human.
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Salmond is not a nice or decent human. Sturgeon I have a little more hope for. It’s bloody ironic in the extreme that what will bring the SNP down is not another political party but their own infighting.

Independence does not equal the SNP and the SNP does not equal independence.

independence will only happen when a significant majority of the Scottish population want independence irrespective of their politics.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Salmond is not a nice or decent human. Sturgeon I have a little more hope for. It’s bloody ironic in the extreme that what will bring the SNP down is not another political party but their own infighting.

Independence does not equal the SNP and the SNP does not equal independence.

independence will only happen when a significant majority of the Scottish population want independence irrespective of their politics.
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Weve talked about this issue, Scotland becoming a one party state and this appears to be the peefect example, Politicians egos coming before all else.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Weve talked about this issue, Scotland becoming a one party state and this appears to be the peefect example, Politicians egos coming before all else.
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You are conflating two issues. One mans ego may bring down the first minister of Scotland. Scotland is dominated by the SNP because that who the Scottish people voted for. Quite seperate discussions
 
Coatigan said:
That is if you beleive she was involved in 'framing' him. Knowing ablut it earlier than publicly stated isn't the same thing.

Ultimately, 14 different accusations from 11 women came about (excuse figures if not right, i didn't study the damn thing). It would have been irresponsible not to act on that or see it go through courts. It would have also been irresponsible to give him any support over such serious accusations, both publicly and privately.

I think people and media will inevitably look to find more juice in it than there is. And he himself may be bitter at not receiving support he thoight he had a right to. But even if he did, he surely gets it would have been the weong message to send.
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Regardless of all that you have to view it all through the prism of a Conservative Govt that is shit scared of separation and the break up of the Union using people like Andrew Neill to snipe from the side lines and write pieces in the press
Their fear is the break up and their tactic as ever is a smear campaign - gutter politics
 
Saddleworth2 said:
You are conflating two issues. One mans ego may bring down the first minister of Scotland. Scotland is dominated by the SNP because that who the Scottish people voted for. Quite seperate discussions
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exactly - Internal SNP infighting is a different beast to the people of Scotland being sick of being run from Westminster and wanting independence - it just suits ENGLISH exceptionalism to conflate them and secondly ENGLISH ignorance of the feeling in Scotland. They can see that the opinion polling is in favour but the Govt don't care about the outcome they just don't it to happen on their watch.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
If you think its egotistical of her to sponsor the investigation of harassment complaints against women rather than allowing them to be swept under the carpet then fair enough.
The fact that the subsequent investigation was botched is an entirely different matter.
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Lets see what comes out of the woodwork shall we. I wouldnt be surprised if there is a bit more to this than meets the eye thats all.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Lets see what comes out of the woodwork shall we. I wouldnt be surprised if there is a bit more to this than meets the eye thats all.
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Comments on here are entertaining

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jaseirai said:
Comments on here are entertaining

wingsoverscotland.com

The Full Nelson

It really can’t be overstated what extraordinary tweets these are. That’s the editor of the conservative, ultra-establishment Spectator openly linking to a document that the Crown Offic…
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Nah, like all comments on any political story, in fact pprobably any story read about 4 and it's boring. I actually haven't come across anyone,living in Scotland , that's even talking about it . Most people couldn't care less what Sturgeon or the SNP did or didn't do to Salmond.
We'll see what comes out but this reminds me of City and CAS. with lots of chatter in the media, but Sturgeon like City were seems to be just biding her time to be heard and like City wis very confident.
Guess we'll see but unless,in the unlikely event, she has to go, doubt it will make the slightest difference to the SNP strolling the May election,because nobody seems to be bothered..
 
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