Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

Deaths only slightly lower doesnt fill me with confidence that we will see ant significant drop elsewhere, still expecting over 1200 deaths in total to be announced again today. I really hoped these numbers would have been well below 1000 a day on a regular basis and dropping quickly by now :(

I think the coverage of care home and community vaccinations in Scotland now near total will hopefully start to show that over coming weeks.

The numbers are always high today because of the weekend lag and it is actually down in Scotland and Wales combined by 1 from last week. We will see what happens with the England hospital numbers after yesterday's pretty large fall.

The England problem seems tied into the huge numbers of out of hospital deatrhs being added mid week last week and again yesterday - from out of hospital - so in many cases we have ti suspect - in care homes.

This is why I pushed the 'offered' versus 'had' vaccinations argument yesterday because you have to suspect the data might suggest we were too slow and hae not vaccinated enough and these numbers are still staying high.

And I really really hope I am wrong on that.

But if they do not give a straight answer to the ;how many have actually had it - not been offered it' question - we are bound to look for why non hospital deaths are adding 500 or so deaths every mid week day in England.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

so they contacted two here...........within an hour of each other...........one days after a positive test result. The Tees Valley Public health have been way way better - contacted both by phone within 2 hours of respective positive tests - took details of movements and recent contacts and are in touch daily by text or call.......thats what cheap, cheerful and publicly run gets you

It all comes under the same umbrella. It's all run by NHS test and trace. Also i think they probably contacted patient B as patient A was incapacitated at the time.
Patient A will be down as the main contact point so as not to have to make multiple calls per household.
This I've only gleaned from watching the Select committee questions to NHS Test and Trace this morning.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Nicola Sturgeon just stated exactly what I got attacked in here for saying yesterday.

That it is wrong that England are only saying how many people have been 'offered' vaccine as opposed to how many have 'had' a vaccination - especially in the over 80s.

Gove was apparently asked this directly and refused to clarify.

Glad someone sees as I do why the use of this word is not meaningless semantics.

It is vital clarification of crucial information.

They have to know the number and not revealing it just creates the impression (even if it is not true) that they do not want us to see the answer.

Either way Nicola tells us that 87% of all those who are 80 and over in the community and 98% of those in care have actually HAD at least one vaccination - not just been 'offered' one.

I think “attacked” is overstating it ever so slightly, lol.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Capt. Moore is an absolute hero.

but clapping his passing is a precedent we should'nt be setting - it worked well for the NHS in the first lockdown, but it has to stop there.

Was April so it wasn’t cold and pissing it down either, which is what the overwhelming majority of people will be thinking.

 

[Healdplace]

If you look at the number by date of death, it is below 1000 now, latest date for data is 31st Jan, and it fell below 1000 on 26th Jan (last Tuesday).

The headline number each day is misleading, we have 5 high numbers during the week, and 2 low numbers at weekends.

As I pointed out using that data from the England hospital numbers in my post yesterday afternoon we clearly can now say we peaked this wave on 19 January with 843 deaths in hospital that day. And the numbers have been falling since.

It might change. But right now the hospital deaths are clearly going down day to day.

 

[ganganvince]

For me it would be heavy fines for each person attending, not just the host. Then an even heavier fine for the host. As well as Community Service for the lot of them.

CS is hugely needed at the moment. Households need food delivering, communities need food banks, streets need litter picking and graffiti removing, streets need overgrowth of weeds and street plants cutting down/removing ...

Force the cunts to do these sort of thing. And if they refuse to pay their fines they should be made to do CS for the NHS; hospitals need cleaning and sanitising, PPE sorting out distributing on the front line.

International travel ban for 3 years no holidays would make them think

 

[abu13]

I think the coverage of care home and community vaccinations in Scotland now near total will hopefully start to show that over coming weeks.

The numbers are always high today because of the weekend lag and it is actually down in Scotland and Wales combined by 1 from last week. We will see what happens with the England hospital numbers after yesterday's pretty large fall.

The England problem seems tied into the huge numbers of out of hospital deatrhs being added mid week last week and again yesterday - from out of hospital - so in many cases we have ti suspect - in care homes.

This is why I pushed the 'offered' versus 'had' vaccinations argument yesterday because you have to suspect the data might suggest we were too slow and hae not vaccinated enough and these numbers are still staying high.

And I really really hope I am wrong on that.

But if they do not give a straight answer to the ;how many have actually had it - not been offered it' question - we are bound to look for why non hospital deaths are adding 500 or so deaths every mid week day in England.

I agree, it think i'm just having a bit of a bad day and am desperate to start seeing a big drop and some real light at the end of the tunnel :)

 

[Healdplace]

I think “attacked” is overstating it ever so slightly, lol.

Well it came over as criticism of a point I consider vital and others just said was semantics.

It is more than semantics if it does not tell you what it infers it is telling you.

If there is nothing to hide just give the number.

I hope it is just semantics as the alternative is unimaginable.

But it is very easy to clear this up by just doing what Scotland does and cite exact numbers for this most vulnerable community.

May seem pedantic but when we are talking hundreds of deaths a day in that age range I disagree.

 

[cleavers]

As I pointed out using that data from the England hospital numbers in my post yesterday afternoon we clearly can now say we peaked this wave on 19 January with 843 deaths in hospital that day. And the numbers have been falling since.

The "date of death" peak is also the same date, it was 1329 according to gov.uk.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Well it came over as criticism of a point I consider vital and others just said was semantics.

It is more than semantics if it does not tell you what it infers it is telling you.

If there is nothing to hide just give the number.

I hope it is just semantics as the alternative is unimaginable.

But it is very easy to clear this up by just doing what Scotland does and cite exact numbers for this most vulnerable community.

May seem pedantic but when we are talking hundreds of deaths a day in that age range I disagree.

I didn’t comment, but I think you’d just been missing the point.

People were just stating that by using the term ”offered” it meant that there might still be a proportion of the over 80’s who choose not to have the vaccine, might be BAME over 80”s for example who don’t feel safe. Is that the government’s fault if they are offered a jab but refuse?

 

[Healdplace]

Ironically the BBC news just gave me a perfect analogy regarding City!

They referred to United scoring 9 and Manchester City 'are top - just' .

What they failed to add in clarification is that even after scoring 9 City are still + 5 ahead in goal difference and have played two fewer games.

It is the same principle - you say what you say in the way that you say it to create the impression that you want people to take from it - even if telling the full story might tell them something different.

 

[Healdplace]

I didn’t comment, but I think you’d just been missing the point.

People were just stating that by using the term ”offered” it meant that there might still be a proportion of the over 80’s who choose not to have the vaccine, might be BAME over 80”s for example who don’t feel safe. Is that the government’s fault if they are offered a jab but refuse?

Of course it isn't - but how is that relevant?

For information like this the ONLY thing that matters is how many have been vaccinated and how many have not. Regardless of why the ones who have not have not. Though if that number of have nots is high it needs explaining if it proves significantly higher than elsewhere.

I was not at all missing this point - but as noted above ref the BBC and City - when you use words to create an impression rather than to clarify the actual reality you can manipulate things to what you want people to see.

Either by accident or design. It can be either. But it remains imperfect information.

With this data we need the actual numbers not a number that leaves you missing half the truth.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I didn’t comment, but I think you’d just been missing the point.

People were just stating that by using the term ”offered” it meant that there might still be a proportion of the over 80’s who choose not to have the vaccine, might be BAME over 80”s for example who don’t feel safe. Is that the government’s fault if they are offered a jab but refuse?

Also homes with active cases will also have an effect on the ability to vaccinate residents.

 

[cleavers]

I didn’t comment, but I think you’d just been missing the point.

People were just stating that by using the term ”offered” it meant that there might still be a proportion of the over 80’s who choose not to have the vaccine, might be BAME over 80”s for example who don’t feel safe. Is that the government’s fault if they are offered a jab but refuse?

I suspect that is the case really, Scotland and England have very different ethnic populations, and my wife works with a number who aren't having the vaccine because of their ethnicity, so it's quite likely that England will have a far bigger percentage of people refusing it on those grounds, though why they can't be transparent about it I've no idea.

 

[Gaz76]

Anyone seen the video of chris witty getting abuse in the street from some little shit who posted it on tic toc, Putting on some sort of plastic yardy accent, keeps calling him a liar and mandem (whatever the fuck that is).
Would have loved it if witty had turned round and smacked him into next week, but he shown a lot of class and patience by just standing there and letting the kid go on with himself.

 

[worsleyweb]

Anyone seen the video of chris witty getting abuse in the street from some little shit who posted it on tic toc, Putting on some sort of plastic yardy accent, keeps calling him a liar and mandem (whatever the fuck that is).
Would have loved it if witty had turned round and smacked him into next week, but he shown a lot of class and patience by just standing there and letting the kid go on with himself.

The man is class. I have so much respect for him.

 

[lancs blue]

I didn’t comment, but I think you’d just been missing the point.

People were just stating that by using the term ”offered” it meant that there might still be a proportion of the over 80’s who choose not to have the vaccine, might be BAME over 80”s for example who don’t feel safe. Is that the government’s fault if they are offered a jab but refuse?

Presumably they have a record of how many didn't take the "offered" vaccine? Even just a percentage uptake figure would be informative.

 

[kaz7]

Been selected for another antibody test , be hefe in a couple of days , interested to see what my status is , very low last time

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Anyone seen the video of chris witty getting abuse in the street from some little shit who posted it on tic toc, Putting on some sort of plastic yardy accent, keeps calling him a liar and mandem (whatever the fuck that is).
Would have loved it if witty had turned round and smacked him into next week, but he shown a lot of class and patience by just standing there and letting the kid go on with himself.

Outraged me that. Liked how a gentleman asked if Mr Witty was ok half way through. He could clearly see what was going on.
I saw it on GMB, and just before it they were paying tribute to Sir Tom. The absolute difference between the two is immeasurable.

 

[Ban-jani]

Anyone seen the video of chris witty getting abuse in the street from some little shit who posted it on tic toc, Putting on some sort of plastic yardy accent, keeps calling him a liar and mandem (whatever the fuck that is).
Would have loved it if witty had turned round and smacked him into next week, but he shown a lot of class and patience by just standing there and letting the kid go on with himself.

Society is on its backside