Calling all Tories. Why do you Tory?

Tiattos_Waterbottle said:
Will admit that I'm not the sharpest knife, but at the same time, I have a deep compassion for my fellow man, and truly believe we should all benefit from living in a country such as Britain.

I find working class Tories repugnant and to be somewhat harsh, class traitors. The Conservatives have bled the poorest dry whilst giving breaks to their mates. There's literally no justification. They treat the North with such disdain, it genuinely boggles the mind.

I assume most aren't going to like this next part but it's my lived experience, so, the only things that I can see that would attract working class Tories is picking on the types of people the Daily Mail under Dacre used to constantly harass, that being the poor, vulnerable, asylum seekers, immigrants, the EU, single mothers.

Doubt this'll be mega popular because a large section of this forum are clearly on the right, which I can excuse in terms of us supporting the best team in the land, but outside of it, I find such people toxic. I stopped posting a few years back, because of the right wing rhetoric in off topic, and it shocked me a bit, to be honest because the general attitude seems to be, I'm alright, fuck everyone else. And I just can't do that.
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As soon as you said a large section of this forum are clearly on the right it showed me you lack any kind of balance. You are as much part of the problem as any right wing poster on here, of which they aren’t that many.
 
Tiattos_Waterbottle said:
Will admit that I'm not the sharpest knife, but at the same time, I have a deep compassion for my fellow man, and truly believe we should all benefit from living in a country such as Britain.

I find working class Tories repugnant and to be somewhat harsh, class traitors. The Conservatives have bled the poorest dry whilst giving breaks to their mates. There's literally no justification. They treat the North with such disdain, it genuinely boggles the mind.

I assume most aren't going to like this next part but it's my lived experience, so, the only things that I can see that would attract working class Tories is picking on the types of people the Daily Mail under Dacre used to constantly harass, that being the poor, vulnerable, asylum seekers, immigrants, the EU, single mothers.

Doubt this'll be mega popular because a large section of this forum are clearly on the right, which I can excuse in terms of us supporting the best team in the land, but outside of it, I find such people toxic. I stopped posting a few years back, because of the right wing rhetoric in off topic, and it shocked me a bit, to be honest because the general attitude seems to be, I'm alright, fuck everyone else. And I just can't do that.
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Pretty strong views that you are labelling people with there mate - to be fair, until people vote for the exact same set of reasons you can't really compare votes (apples with apples so to speak).

People's circumstances are completely different.

In addition, I have never understood the tribalism around politics - it isn't football so it shouldn't be 'I grew up here so therefore I have to vote red or blue). Surely you make an informed decision at each voting opportunity and make the choice that makes the most logical sense to you?

If you look at the absolute sh1tstorm provided by the main opposition in the country for the last however many years (that's not at all letting for any shortcomings of the current Downing Street incumbents), I would find it very strange if people weren't looking at alternatives (one of course being Conservative)..............
 
urban genie said:
Bluemoon is the new bbc ;-)

Anyone right wing thinks it's too lefty

Anyone left wing thinks it's too right leaning
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You would sort of expect that a forum based on a Football Club from a city that has had a radical left wing history, traditionally has very few if any Tory MPs, to a hotbed of left wing politics.

That is definitely not the case.
 
urban genie said:
Bluemoon is the new bbc ;-)

Anyone right wing thinks it's too lefty

Anyone left wing thinks it's too right leaning
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It’s an old argument that never gets anywhere but as posters have their own ideas on what left or right wing is then it can never be resolved. On bluemoon there is a pattern in that if there isn’t general consensus in the first few pages there never will be. Doesn’t stop people endlessly trying though.

On the post by the class warrior who claimed a large section on here are right wing it’s patently untrue due to the demographic nature of a Mancunian football forum. See any poll ever done on here.

Now due to his/her outlook he may feel tons of people are to the right of him/her but that only shows where he stands on the spectrum not anyone else. As much as the ‘I’m alright Jacks’ are morally deficient the self pitying bleating of that post isn’t going to get much love.
 
hilts said:
It’s an old argument that never gets anywhere but as posters have their own ideas on what left or right wing is then it can never be resolved. On bluemoon there is a pattern in that if there isn’t general consensus in the first few pages there never will be. Doesn’t stop people endlessly trying though.

On the post by the class warrior who claimed a large section on here are right wing it’s patently untrue due to the demographic nature of a Mancunian football forum. See any poll ever done on here.

Now due to his/her outlook he may feel tons of people are to the right of him/her but that only shows where he stands on the spectrum not anyone else. As much as the ‘I’m alright Jacks’ are morally deficient the self pitying bleating of that post isn’t going to get much love.
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That is true, many of the people who are on BM never post in this section, it is just the over opinionated fuckers like myself and other assorted over opinionated fuckers. Hardly representative.
 
urban genie said:
Bluemoon is the new bbc ;-)

Anyone right wing thinks it's too lefty

Anyone left wing thinks it's too right leaning
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But only this time we have a poll every election which is heavily in favour of Labour.

In fact if December’s poll on here reflected the public’s voting, it would be Labour’s biggest victory since possibly the 1950’s.

It is very left wing this forum but I expect that as it’s a Manchester forum.
 
urban genie said:
You will probably ruffle some people feathers with that last paragraph, but I liked thenpost because at least it is an honest position.

I can kinda respect tories who genuinely dislike the left because they believe in conservatism and are opposed to it, because at least they are honest and have conviction, I can respect them but I could never agree or like their position.

I don't get people who can choose to swap between socialism or conservatism depending if it suits them.

Maybe I am just old fashioned
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Does that mean that you force yourself to vote Labour even if the leader and campaign of the time isn't in line with what you would want then to be?

Not looking to be argumentative in the slightest, it's a genuine question..............
 
urban genie said:
Bluemoon is the new bbc ;-)

Anyone right wing thinks it's too lefty

Anyone left wing thinks it's too right leaning
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I agree with this, and would propose the following test instead:

We have food banks in this country because: (choose one option)

(a) the government is a bunch of cunts

Or

(b) the fifth largest economy in the world genuinely can’t afford to feed its own people

That I think will set the question up nicely
 
Chris in London said:
I agree with this, and would propose the following test instead:

We have food banks in this country because: (choose one option)

(a) the government is a bunch of cunts

Or

(b) the fifth largest economy in the world genuinely can’t afford to feed its own people

That I think will set the question up nicely
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You genuinely think the reasons are as simple as that?

A study found 40% of people use food banks due to problems with benefit payments- yes this is a government problem to solve. The reasons for these problems will also be multifaceted but generally I don’t like a system that penalises the most needy in society as a starting point for “punishment”. So I’ll err towards (a) as they run the system.

Another 40% of people use food banks because of low incomes, debt, or homelessness - neither a or b here.

The remaining 20% is down to illness and domestic abuse - neither a or b here

What trap are you trying to set?
 
My MP went to the same school as I did, he is an excellent constituency member and lives in the ward. He attends local functions and is extremely approachable. He happens to be a Tory but I vote for him as a person - Graham Brady.
 
Gray said:
My MP went to the same school as I did, he is an excellent constituency member and lives in the ward. He attends local functions and is extremely approachable. He happens to be a Tory but I vote for him as a person - Graham Brady.
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ok. but what about the national issues. Do you agree with his views and votes on them?


there are lots of tories i get on with on a personal level and think are honourable people, but i wouldnt vote for them because tory governments tend to screw over the poor and i cant support that.
 
pirate said:
ok. but what about the national issues. Do you agree with his views and votes on them?


there are lots of tories i get on with on a personal level and think are honourable people, but i wouldnt vote for them because tory governments tend to screw over the poor and i cant support that.
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Well he was a firm supporter of leaving the EU which I also am. I don’t agree with all tory policies but they are the less of two evils to me.
 
metalblue said:
You genuinely think the reasons are as simple as that?

A study found 40% of people use food banks due to problems with benefit payments- yes this is a government problem to solve. The reasons for these problems will also be multifaceted but generally I don’t like a system that penalises the most needy in society as a starting point for “punishment”. So I’ll err towards (a) as they run the system.

Another 40% of people use food banks because of low incomes, debt, or homelessness - neither a or b here.

The remaining 20% is down to illness and domestic abuse - neither a or b here

What trap are you trying to set?
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You seem to have misunderstood. The question asks is essence why we have food banks at all. You seem to have answered a different question, namely who uses food banks.

From the tone of your reply, I’ll put you down as a ‘b’.

You might, by the by, be interested in googling the time a £22m donation from the EU to U.K. food banks was blocked by the government in about 2013.

Or by the increase in the number of food banks in the U.K. since 2010.
 
Gray said:
Well he was a firm supporter of leaving the EU which I also am. I don’t agree with all tory policies but they are the less of two evils to me.
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fair enough, but that does mean that you are voting for the national policies and that stuff about going same school as you, that he is an excellent constituency member, lives in the ward and that he attends local functions and is extremely approachable, is irrelevant to your vote. if he did all those things and was labour, you wouldnt vote for him.
 
Chris in London said:
I agree with this, and would propose the following test instead:

We have food banks in this country because: (choose one option)

(a) the government is a bunch of cunts

Or

(b) the fifth largest economy in the world genuinely can’t afford to feed its own people

That I think will set the question up nicely
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As if politics is that black and white.

Every system, every country has people living in poverty.

Look at some of the conditions people have lived in under every single Labour government that’s ever been.

Look at how many people are below the UN guided poverty line in countries that adopt socialism as a market-wide policy. I’ll give you a clue, the percentage of population is significantly, and that’s an understatement, higher than the UK.

Is our society perfect? Of course not, but making binary points like you have made are ridiculous.
 
Chris in London said:
You seem to have misunderstood. The question asks is essence why we have food banks at all. You seem to have answered a different question, namely who uses food banks.

From the tone of your reply, I’ll put you down as a ‘b’.

You might, by the by, be interested in googling the time a £22m donation from the EU to U.K. food banks was blocked by the government in about 2013.

Or by the increase in the number of food banks in the U.K. since 2010.
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Surely you need to know why people use food banks to answer why we have them?

Put me down as a b if you like, you’re wrong mind
 
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