Political relations between UK-EU

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Ancient Citizen said:
And we are posting realities back, because all the major facets have been concluded with a trade deal, which gives tariff free access, no CM, no ECJ.
This has pissed you off something rotten and we now hear we have 'A shit
trade deal,' which is a comfort blanket to assuage the unpalatable fact that
you've been telling us for years that all that was totally impossible.
We now boil down to a small percentage of an industry that is miniscule towards GDP, one that will grow, because we can grow it, but still only small
in the scheme of things.
I have said that unless the EU start playing nicely about this, there will be a response, and eventually, they'll see sense as they did over NI, and backed down.
We'll see who is right.
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The deal does not give us tariff free access. No one is pretending the deal gives us tariff free access. We used to have tariff free access, we no longer have tariff free access.

Good grief man, get a grip. This level of delusion is not healthy.
 
I did say that you just seek that which you want to see
From that fascist Rag, the Mail, but at least they've lifted it from that
stinking plutocrat Murdoch's Rag, the Times.
bluethrunthru said:
Nobody is investing in an idle industry - where does the investment money come from?
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www.dailymail.co.uk

Ministers finalise £100m package to revive British fishing fleet

The scheme was promised last month as the British government faced criticism by fisherman that it had compromised on important issues to finally secure a trade deal with the EU.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I did say that you just seek that which you want to see
From that fascist Rag, the Mail, but at least they've lifted it from that
stinking plutocrat Murdoch's Rag, the Times.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ministers finalise £100m package to revive British fishing fleet

The scheme was promised last month as the British government faced criticism by fisherman that it had compromised on important issues to finally secure a trade deal with the EU.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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so its still only a promise thats a month overdue - it gives the Mail readers a semi with pictures of warships - but still doesn't answer the fundamental question. Who's buying the fish?
 
west didsblue said:
Or the Med, the Baltic, eastern North Sea, western Irish Sea, North Atlantic, Bay of Biscay, southern English Channel. In fact everywhere outside our EEZ.
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Yes, or go where I said. So, they can go to those places and help themselves,
they don't want ours, so we'll just keep our own waters as they've suddenly decided they're polluted.
I'm sure it won't be much of a problem for EU fishermen now that you've provided the solution to this nonsense, so us and the EU will probably shake on that, yes?
 
metalblue said:
Yes mate. I honestly did. And would do it again. No corporation should ever hold sway over state policy. The EU didn’t reject it, Trump (probably by accident) did. But it’s not about it not getting signed it’s about the fact it was even being discussed. The EU should have walked away but they didn’t - and the only way I could show my displeasure to that was to vote leave.

I do acknowledge that the new CPTPP is the bastard offspring of TTIP and I watch it with interest and some concern.
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All trade deals involve discussion of things that are unpalatable to one side until they’re thrashed out and agreement is reached. I stand corrected that Trump pulled out first but the EU decided not to resume discussions. Basing your vote in 2016 on a possible outcome of an unagreed deal seems a little odd particularly as our stated aim was to get our own deal with the US for which they would undoubtedly try to get the same clause in and we would have been in a much weaker position than the EU making it more difficult to refuse.

CPTPP is nothing to do with TTIP. It started as TPP until the US pulled out.
 
BobKowalski said:
The deal does not give us tariff free access. No one is pretending the deal gives us tariff free access. We used to have tariff free access, we no longer have tariff free access.

Good grief man, get a grip. This level of delusion is not healthy.
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I suppose you mean your favourite 'Non Tariff Barriers.'
This is just one of many, why I'm putting it up I don't know, but anyway.
www.theguardian.com

UK and EU agree Brexit trade deal

No 10 says ‘we have taken back control’, after years of talks end in settlement allowing tariff-free trade in goods
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
If we take it away from fishing and assume Mars Bars, walking sticks or car tyres and say they commanded the same amount of contribution to the UK economy and they sold the majority of their production into the EU. Now imagine because of the Brexit deal a load of red tape was introduced making exports virtually impossible. So the Govt offered a bail out to Mars or walking stick makers or tyre makers can Leavers not see that does not incentivise whichever producer you choose to carry on at the same level because no-one is buying
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I suppose you mean your favourite 'Non Tariff Barriers.'
This is just one of many, why I'm putting it up I don't know, but anyway.
www.theguardian.com

UK and EU agree Brexit trade deal

No 10 says ‘we have taken back control’, after years of talks end in settlement allowing tariff-free trade in goods
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Thank you, now what shall we do to help businesses with this part.

“The deal guarantees “zero tariff and zero quota” trade on goods that were worth £668bn in 2019. But it will also mean significant costs to businesses as exporters face a host of border checks from 1 January and freedom of movement in the EU will end for most UK nationals.”
 
bluethrunthru said:
If we take it away from fishing and assume Mars Bars, walking sticks or car tyres and say they commanded the same amount of contribution to the UK economy and they sold the majority of their production into the EU. Now imagine because of the Brexit deal a load of red tape was introduced making exports virtually impossible. So the Govt offered a bail out to Mars or walking stick makers or tyre makers can Leavers not see that does not incentivise whichever producer you choose to carry on at the same level because no-one is buying
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To be fair if they rename some unattractive sounding fish so that it evokes thoughts of pretty coastal harbours I would buy it. Even better if they made it vaguely foreign sounding
 
journolud said:
Are you sure? It’s an advert saying use fun effects to break the ice. Are you giving me the come on?
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If I gave you the come on, you'd come, but whether it's you or I who has
erred I'm not sure, but never mind, what was the question again, investment in fishing was it?
www.dailymail.co.uk

Ministers finalise £100m package to revive British fishing fleet

The scheme was promised last month as the British government faced criticism by fisherman that it had compromised on important issues to finally secure a trade deal with the EU.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

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britannianews.co.uk britannianews.co.uk
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Millions are to be invested in fishing. It's simply your idea, not what is happening. Quotas have been increased immediately, But I suppose with the
kind of logic we see on here that really means catching less.
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Eat a lot of Norway pout, do you?
 
blueparrot said:
Thank you, now what shall we do to help businesses with this part.

“The deal guarantees “zero tariff and zero quota” trade on goods that were worth £668bn in 2019. But it will also mean significant costs to businesses as exporters face a host of border checks from 1 January and freedom of movement in the EU will end for most UK nationals.”
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The original request, or claim, was that we did not have tariff free access.
You now want a response to another question entirely, which we can discuss, I suppose, but it's a long slog, and we're still arguing about mussels as yet.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
If I gave you the come on, you'd come, but whether it's you or I who has
erred I'm not sure, but never mind, what was the question again, investment in fishing was it?
www.dailymail.co.uk

Ministers finalise £100m package to revive British fishing fleet

The scheme was promised last month as the British government faced criticism by fisherman that it had compromised on important issues to finally secure a trade deal with the EU.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

WordPress.com

britannianews.co.uk britannianews.co.uk
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More from the government’s endlessly fruitful money tree, bailing out not only businesses affected by COVID (unavoidable) but also those affected by Brexit (avoidable and foreseeable). Let’s hope it’s worth it but you would think time is of the essence as individual firms within the industry are struggling now and future success might also depend to a degree in changing shopping habits amongst the relatively conservative British public
 
Ancient Citizen said:
The original request, or claim, was that we did not have tariff free access.
You now want a response to another question entirely, which we can discuss, I suppose, but it's a long slog, and we're still arguing about mussels as yet.
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You are right it’s a long long slog, unfortunately many businesses that have enough to cope with from covid don’t have long to wait for a government to undertake a long slog. A slog that wouldn’t have been necessary if they hadn’t agreed a shit deal in the first place.
In fact a lot of businesses, especially fishing ones don’t have enough time for even a short slog.
 
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