Coronavirus (2021) thread

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But hospitals are reporting that their Covid patients now are younger.

Well that is obvious, if there are less old patients, them patients are younger

 

[Healdplace]

Wales vaccination update:

869, 653 first doses given - 7405 yesterday - up from 2165 day before

49, 729 second doses given - 6977 yesterday - up from 4977 day before


Weekly 1st doses last 7 days - 73, 726

Weekly 2nd doses last 7 days - 42, 478

As you can see first doses reduced (and mostly AZ at present) and second doses big ramp up where much of the reduced Pfizer supply is going as many of the early doses needing second doses were Pfizer as it started use earlier than AZ.

This will be true in other nations too as the Pfizer issue is a UK one.

 

[Vic]

Well that is obvious, if there are less old patients, them patients are younger

The implication is that the number of younger patients is higher than previously, so higher in absolute numbers not just the average age.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

The Beeb. Only last week mocking restrictions for not going far enough and finding impossible loopholes to legislate for.
Today, according to Nick Robinson, crushing the hopes and dreams of people by not relaxing them now.

 

[Vic]

Wales vaccination update:

869, 653 first doses given - 7405 yesterday - up from 2165 day before

49, 729 second doses given - 6977 yesterday - up from 4977 day before


Weekly 1st doses last 7 days - 73, 726

Weekly 2nd doses last 7 days - 42, 478

As you can see first doses reduced (and mostly AZ at present) and second doses big ramp up where much of the reduced Pfizer supply is going as many of the early doses needing second doses were Pfizer as it started use earlier than AZ.

This will be true in other nations too as the Pfizer issue is a UK one.

I wanted the AZ in case the Pfizer supply could not be guaranteed for a second dose in April.

I'm told AZ are storing vaccines. If that's to fulfil the UK contract, while not fulfilling the EU contract, that would be an issue. It's a source who works at AZ but it's something I've not seen elsewhere.

 

[Healdplace]

The ONS data today on deaths in care homes matches all the evidence we are seeing elsewhere.

Such as in the out of hospital add ons from England that two or three weeks ago were 500 or so a day added on in mid week with weekend catch up - but were about half that last week.

Or the care home outbreaks in N Ireland which they record daily that fell from over 100 3 weeks ago to 44 yesterday - lowest for months. That had fallen 33 from 79 in just one week too.

This is all pointing to the vaccines working and saving older lives.

As these drops are much faster than they were in the wave last Spring when we had no vaccine.

Though we also had no treatments that we do now that sae lives that were lost then and, I suspect, a more strictly followed and tighter lockdown than now in some respects.

So it is indicative of vaccine success but not quite proof.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Hint of sarcasm there?

Absolutely not mate, was being genuine.

It was only when a mum tweeted her child's lunch for the week that he got involved.

It's a legitimate suggestion. I bought all new uniform, PE kits and shoes last summer and half of it can't be used now.

They got a couple months wear out of it before lockdown and various bubble quarantines.

We would usually be able to afford/buy new sizes but the shops that stock their uniforms have been shut since summer and couple out of business.

The schools my kids attend hand the contracts out to independent stockists.

 

[Healdplace]

I wanted the AZ in case the Pfizer supply could not be guaranteed for a second dose in April.

I'm told AZ are storing vaccines. If that's to fulfil the UK contract, while not fulfilling the EU contract, that would be an issue. It's a source who works at AZ but it's something I've not seen elsewhere.

After the way some EU nations tried to destroy the credibility of the AZ vaccine frankly they deserve any such tardiness. Let them use the better vaccines they are not attempting to damage.

Obviously fulfil contracts but if you can supply those who backed you for real as the UK did with any surplus or ramp up supply for them on request then I see nothing wrong with them doing so.

You reap what you sow when you play politics. You earn what you pay for when you financially support a successful vaccine whilst others were sceptical. Applies to the UK government AND the EU.

Same will happen soon with the French vaccine that was not supported in France but was here so they are making it in Scotland.

You do not stop other nations benefiting from your foresightedness but you earn first dibs.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

The implication is that the number of younger patients is higher than previously, so higher in absolute numbers not just the average age.

Numbers hospitalised have more than halved in recent weeks so it seems highly unlikely that more younger patients are currently in than previously. As pointed out, as the numbers of elderly patients reduce then the proportion of younger patients in a much lower number increases.

 

[Vic]

After the way some EU nations tried to destroy the credibility of the AZ vaccine frankly they deserve any such tardiness. Let them use the better vaccines they are not attempting to damage.

Obviously fulfil contracts but if you can supply those who backed you for real as the UK did with any surpluss or ramp up supply for them on request then I see nothing wrong with them doing so.
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You reap what you sow when you play politics. Applies to the UK government AND the EU.

I don't want to revisit the EU spat over the contracts but I don't get why you'd hoard vaccines (if it is happening) while saying other nations (EU or developing nations) should not be left behind.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Absolutely not mate, was being genuine.

It was only when a mum tweeted her child's lunch for the week that he got involved.

It's a legitimate suggestion. I bought all new uniform, PE kits and shoes last summer and half of it can't be used now.

They got a couple months wear out of it before lockdown and various bubble quarantines.

We would usually be able to afford/buy new sizes but the shops that stock their uniforms have been shut since summer and couple out of business.

The schools my kids attend hand the contracts out to independent stockists.

Thanks mate. Can never tell sometimes.

Throughout any school year people will replace things and if they get that school year out of it then all is good. If it's all bought new in August though and come October they're all told to stay home, with no idea when they'll return, if it's left like this now till March it is inevitable things won't fit. So things that would usually get replaced as time goes by all of a sudden needs the entire lot replacing - with just a few months of the school year left.

The eldest two were told they wouldn't be going back, with the eldest leaving anyway. So she now has to have uniform bought for her that will be useless after July as she goes college after that.

I know people will really find that difficult, especially if they have 2 or 3 or more kids needing kitting out.

 

[Healdplace]

Numbers hospitalised have more than halved in recent weeks so it seems highly unlikely that more younger patients are currently in than previously. As pointed out, as the numbers of elderly patients reduce then the proportion of younger patients in a much lower number increases.

It is exactly the same effect I refer to daily in the England hospital deaths update here around 2 pm.

The percentage of under 60s has markedly risen in recent weeks.

They were around 12 or 13% yesterday - double what they were in early January.

NOT because more of them are dying. Fewer are. But because more older ones are now not dying than younger ones as they have had the vaccine so this inevitably means it tips the balance especially when the overall numbers are about a third of what they were - as is true of both deaths and patients

 

[Healdplace]

I don't want to revisit the EU spat over the contracts but I don't get why you'd hoard vaccines (if it is happening) while saying other nations (EU or developing nations) should not be left behind.

I think we have made clear we WILL offer all our surplus vaccine to other nations. Rightly so.

It is something I have long advocated in here.

Storing vaccine (if true) over short term to ensure we achieve this hugely ambitious vaccination programme is perfectly reasonable imo.

If we are in lockdown much of this year because we do not do this and then we have to slow down our own programme then we cannot help the rest of the world with millions of doses that we can do if we are over this as fast as possible.

As I suggested a week or so ago in here there should be a strategy defined by all rich nations ASAP to set up this vaccination of the world strategy.

But you have to prioritise your own most vulnerable first, then vulnerable at the same time as starting to help the world, then when you are at the lower end of the scale focus the majority on the world.

I would trust we have a clearly defined policy and plan on this.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Thanks mate. Can never tell sometimes.

Throughout any school year people will replace things and if they get that school year out of it then all is good. If it's all bought new in August though and come October they're all told to stay home, with no idea when they'll return, if it's left like this now till March it is inevitable things won't fit. So things that would usually get replaced as time goes by all of a sudden needs the entire lot replacing - with just a few months of the school year left.

The eldest two were told they wouldn't be going back, with the eldest leaving anyway. So she now has to have uniform bought for her that will be useless after July as she goes college after that.

I know people will really find that difficult, especially if they have 2 or 3 or more kids needing kitting out.

My 13-year-old lad will go back to school at some point almost five inches taller than he was in September, probably six because of City's results!!

 

[blue b4 the moon]

After the way some EU nations tried to destroy the credibility of the AZ vaccine frankly they deserve any such tardiness. Let them use the better vaccines they are not attempting to damage.

Obviously fulfil contracts but if you can supply those who backed you for real as the UK did with any surplus or ramp up supply for them on request then I see nothing wrong with them doing so.

You reap what you sow when you play politics. You earn what you pay for when you financially support a successful vaccine whilst others were sceptical. Applies to the UK government AND the EU.

Same will happen soon with the French vaccine that was not supported in France but was here so they are making it in Scotland.

You do not stop other nations benefiting from your foresightedness but you earn first dibs.

I was having what ended up being an argument with a very close mate (English) who has lived in Denmark for years and would have been vaccinated here with his age weeks ago, he's hoping to be done mid/late March.

Europe are pushing the line that AZ are being unfair to them and supplying us first. However, I'm sure they'll still get the 300m doses they ordered but he couldn't/wouldn't see that because we approved before the EU our vaccines started arriving first....if we assume originally if we'd all approved together we'd have 50% of production each or whatever was agreed in the contracts pro rata that should be whats happening now but as Europe are behind they feel they should be getting a higher percentage. That's the price for delaying approval.

Think of it as 2 separate people agreeing to have a house built over 4 weeks, both pay upfront for the work but person 2 (EU) decide as the weather's not nice to delay the start date for a couple of weeks meaning person 1's house (UK) is now 2 weeks into the build....should ours stop or the hours worked on it reduce while the other catches up? Of course not, it's not our fault.

Bit of a witter on but I was getting quite annoyed yesterday about it all.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

My partner's 3 kids go back to school 8/3. All in high school. They've all grown since last time they were in, which means X3 lot's of uniform. Fortunately we are able to afford this, but many can't. Already seen posts from parents stressing about this outlay, with just 3 months left in school when half term and Easter taken into account. Then another outlay a few months later.
Would it be an idea that schools have their own rules on pupils being able to wear what they want (within reason of course)?

Genuine question but if they were in school as normal and outgrow the uniform what do you do normally? When my kids outgrew their uniform we had to buy new regardless of when time of the year it was. I know you can get away maybe with trousers being a cm short etc but once they outgrow their shoes you can't mess around with their feet.

 

[Vic]

Thanks mate. Can never tell sometimes.

Throughout any school year people will replace things and if they get that school year out of it then all is good. If it's all bought new in August though and come October they're all told to stay home, with no idea when they'll return, if it's left like this now till March it is inevitable things won't fit. So things that would usually get replaced as time goes by all of a sudden needs the entire lot replacing - with just a few months of the school year left.

The eldest two were told they wouldn't be going back, with the eldest leaving anyway. So she now has to have uniform bought for her that will be useless after July as she goes college after that.

I know people will really find that difficult, especially if they have 2 or 3 or more kids needing kitting out.

Schools should abandon uniform policy for the duration.

 

[give it to gordon]

I got a Email no letter yet, my Mum got a letter no Email, have you checked your junk mail?

Yep check junk mail , got a letter last time but so far nothing !

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Might be worth tweeting Marcus Rashford on this issue mate?

It is genuinely worth highlighting. My lad has outgrown his size eight black school shoes in last three months.

Has he also outgrown his trainers?

 

[AlgarveBlu]

After the way some EU nations tried to destroy the credibility of the AZ vaccine frankly they deserve any such tardiness. Let them use the better vaccines they are not attempting to damage.

Obviously fulfil contracts but if you can supply those who backed you for real as the UK did with any surplus or ramp up supply for them on request then I see nothing wrong with them doing so.

You reap what you sow when you play politics. You earn what you pay for when you financially support a successful vaccine whilst others were sceptical. Applies to the UK government AND the EU.

Same will happen soon with the French vaccine that was not supported in France but was here so they are making it in Scotland.

You do not stop other nations benefiting from your foresightedness but you earn first dibs.

Totally agree - Macron is a tit! and was just trying to misdirect his frustrated electorate to get them off his back. You could say his handling of the vaccine rollout has been quasi ineffective