Shamima Begum

[Zuriblue]

She was fifteen.

The problem is that the right are only interested in child grooming and rape when it can be weaponised.

 

[domalino]

I'm talking about her first facing justice for what she did in Syria, crossed wires.

She has no entitlement to British citizenship anymore. She doesn't want it anyway, she just wants to come to the UK to avoid her captors.

No, no, no.

She is actively trying to get her British citizenship back, you don't get to say she doesn't want it.

 

[Metal Biker]

No, no, no.

She is actively trying to get her British citizenship back, you don't get to say she doesn't want it.

And you don't get to say that she does when i've seen her saying she doesn't care about being British.

Why do you want a person with the views Begum has to come to the UK? Why is it important to you?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The problem is that the right are only interested in child grooming and rape when it can be weaponised.

If she'd been willingly fingered by a taxi driver from Rotherham I'm sure they'd be a lot more sympathetic to her.

 

[domalino]

My question to you is, why are you so passionate about a person like Begum, who despises homosexuals, thought nothing of Yazidi women being treated like sex slaves to be beaten and abused, to return to the UK to regain her citizenship when she renounced it, doesn't want it (she just wants to return to the UK) and does not agree with the morals and values this country stands for? Is she the sort of citizen you want?

This country is filled with the sort of citizens I don't really want in society. Racists, homophobes, far-right nutjobs, religious fundamentalists, all sorts of unpleasant people. I don't want the home secretary to invent bullshit reasons to strip them of their citizenships contrary to international convention and dump them out on the world pretending they're not our problem though.

This is not about Shamima Begum, it's about the UK's responsibility to deal with British citizens, it's about not foisting our problem cases on the rest of the world and wiping our hands of them. It's also about political point scoring, about facing up to extremism of all kinds, not just Islamic, and finding ways to deradicalise people. It's about Shamima Begum's innocent British child dying because we refused to deal with her mother.

 

[Metal Biker]

This country is filled with the sort of citizens I don't want. Racists, homophobes, far-right bigots, religious fundamentalists, all sorts of unpleasant people. I don't want the home secretary to invent bullshit reasons to strip them of their citizenships contrary to international convention and dump them out on the world pretending they're not our problem though.

They aren't BS reasons though. MI5, The Home Office are in agreement she poses a security risk and the Supreme Court believes she would pose a security risk, which is why they blocked her ability to come to the UK and 'fight' for citizenship.

But no, Bluemoon nobodies know better. You don't get to decide if she poses a risk or not. You don't get to decide whether she retains or loses her UK citizenship. The Supreme Court was unanimous; she poses a security risk and cannot return to the UK to fight for it. You are placing one person's situation above the safety of everyone else in the UK, despite having the Home Office and MI5 provide their analysis that she does pose a risk.

I also seek justice, and Begum needs to answer to the Kurds and the Yazidi women who suffered at the hands of a regime she supported. That before anything else.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

So you think a 15 year old can consent to being married and having sex with a 25 year old?

We have an age of consent in this country for a reason, and an age of majority.

If you think neither should exist, I'm not sure its worth carrying on this debate.


I think more likely is you know why these things exist, but are so ignorantly set on having a black and white view of this woman that you cannot accept that she might be a victim of crime as well as an accessory or pepertrator of it.

The age of consent in France is 15. If she was French, this would not have been rape, and a decision to join this medieval cult would have involved no coercion. Using her age as mitigation is ridiculous.
Her two sisters were involved in this as well. It surprises no one why many on the left immediately rush to defend evil, yet never show any sympathy for the victims of it.
The reaction of the vast majority is of relief about the court decision, you know this, yet it’s never a celebration, or some consolation for the victims families, it’s a rush to discredit.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Actually, the "counter" is the second highest court in the land which said she should be allowed to return to make her appeal.

Claptrap as usual. The appeal court is not there to override decisions made by parliament, because it doesn’t like them.
We elect people to enact laws, when they do, court’s don’t get to ignore them, that’s why they were rapped by the S C,
Who’s verdict on this case was unanimous.

 

[Metal Biker]

The age of consent in France is 15. If she was French, this would not have been rape, and a decision to join this medieval cult would have involved no coercion. Using her age as mitigation is ridiculous.
Her two sisters were involved in this as well. It surprises no one why many on the left immediately rush to defend evil, yet never show any sympathy for the victims of it.
The reaction of the vast majority is of relief about the court decision, you know this, yet it’s never a celebration, or some consolation for the victims families, it’s a rush to discredit.

It's the "the right wingers disapprove, therefore we approve!" mentality of the morally vacuous.
She wants to have UK citizenship to avoid justice; how can anyone support such an endeavour?

 

[Metal Biker]

Claptrap as usual. The appeal court is not there to override decisions made by parliament, because it doesn’t like them.
We elect people to enact laws, when they do, court’s don’t get to ignore them, that’s why they were rapped by the S C,
Who’s verdict on this case was unanimous.

Yeah, but what do they know.

 

[domalino]

It's the "the right wingers disapprove, therefore we approve!" mentality of the morally vacuous.
She wants to have UK citizenship to avoid justice; how can anyone support such an endeavour?

Oh, have we reached the point in any political thread where you two jerk yourselves off about "the left", invent strawmen to argue with, get in some personal spats and everyone else has to endure it until @Ric has to clean the thread up?

For once why don't we skip that mind-numbingly predictable series of events and stay on topic instead of assuming you know everything about the political inclinations and motivations of everyone who disagrees with you?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's the "the right wingers disapprove, therefore we approve!" mentality of the morally vacuous.
She wants to have UK citizenship to avoid justice; how can anyone support such an endeavour?

She was 15 and 6 months, yet being viewed like a Yazidi 8 year old, a wide eyed innocent. Thank fuck these people will never prevail.

 

[Metal Biker]

Have we reached the point in any political thread where you two jerk yourselves off about "the left", invent strawmen to argue with and everyone else has to endure it?

I'm centre-left.

I'm just not one of those nutcases who believes that right-wing is synonymous with 'evil', like is often portrayed on here. You just said that this issue was about political point scoring, well look what you're doing right now; assuming i'm 'right-wing complaining about the left' .

I uttered no such words about the "left", I said the morally vacuous. Second time now you've misintepreted what i've said to fuel your own bile.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

On the subject of under age rape Macron shagging his teacher at 15 opens up the possibility of a great topic.

 

[Metal Biker]

She was 15 and 6 months, yet being viewed like a Yazidi 8 year old, a wide eyed innocent. Thank fuck these people will never prevail.

When most public polls average about 90% that Begum should never be allowed in the UK again, its quite telling what the mood is and what their agenda is actually focused on.

 

[domalino]

When most public polls average about 90% that Begum should never be allowed in the UK again, its quite telling what the mood is and what their agenda is actually focused on.

And we all know public polls are never wrong, and opinions never change.

 

[journolud]

When most public polls average about 90% that Begum should never be allowed in the UK again, its quite telling what the mood is and what their agenda is actually focused on.

No need for the courts or M15 if we have a majority public opinion. Debate closed I suppose

 

[Ancient Citizen]

When most public polls average about 90% that Begum should never be allowed in the UK again, its quite telling what the mood is and what their agenda is actually focused on.

It’s the same on other threads, we’re arguing with the fringe elements of society, which is our fault really.
Still, not much longer being banged up, and the pubs are getting nearer by the hour;)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

And we all know public polls are never wrong.

Lol, if it was in dispute I’d agree.
Do you really, really believe you’re in the majority here?
It matters not mate, carry on.

 

[Metal Biker]

And we all know public polls are never wrong, and opinions never change.

Some can, those who aren't close minded or have agendas to promote are perfectly capable of being rational, but the correct evidence and truths have to be presented first, and not emotionally charged opinion.

Strange how public polls are lauded and praised or dismissed as nonsense depending on whether they agree or disagree with the individuals opinion or not. C'est la vie.