United (H) Post Match Thread

It's no good watching utd last 3 or so matches it means nothing Pep. When they play us they raise their game 200%. Pep needs to remember this, it's a derby, a team that uses our Citys name that arent in or from Manchester. They now bang on that Manchester is red even though they are from Trafford.
We dont say Trafford is blue ! So utd piss of back to Trafford you are nothing to do with Manchester.

I hope Pep understands how bad it feels to lose to this lot. I really hate the fact they can use our Citys name. We have a team using our name now claiming our City is red and arent even from our City. They are a fake Manchester club.

Think I need a lie down in a darken room :(
 
paul140 said:
Still gutted this morning that our winning run is over, especially as we didn't play as well as we all know we can and because it's the scum.

Not a nice feeling to wake up with this Monday morning, in saying that though only 2 days until we play Southampton and hopefully can bounce back in style, like we have done previously when we have had a disappointing result in the previous game.

The league has always been a marathon and never a sprint. Still 11 clear and +37 on GD with 10 games to go.

As I said yesterday was rubbish and hurts but we dust ourselves down and go again.
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Agreed, watch the rags go and get beaten by west ham next.

For me this loss would have more impact if the rags somehow sorted their total inconsistency out and started to regularly beat the other teams in the league.

This is the danger, the same as with the dippers. They fixed the inconsistency, then they eventually beat us which made them believe.

Now unfortunately the rags have recently got better results against us already, if this lot were somehow to resolve that inconsistency then we would have a bigger problem facing us.

It does seem that they should at some point fix it, but then maybe they wont. What we need to do though is start winning the derbie games again to assert dominance over them. We are slowly losing that
 
tonea2003 said:
fine margins i guess, if either of those two chances go in we potentially have a different game, i'm not denying they deserved it, but as you allude to KDB is the problem and the system employed played into thier hands
kev by his very nature tries passes noone else does and when they dont come off we get countered.
their team line up would of alarmed me straight away it was obvious counter was the plan
and a gabby brain fart didnt help
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Agreed, but it was all a little too comfortable for United still at the back.

I'm not even sure what Kevin's current role in the team is?

This will no doubt sound harsh, but he has forgotten the thing which makes him so special, his unselfishness.

IMO, this season he has been playing the game much more for himself, essentially a free role, but seemingly more intent on shooting at goal, attempting more 'Hollywood' passes.

A lot of the top players do this when they know how good they are, maybe don't want to trust other players to do the job?

I genuinely think we might have already seen peak De Bruyne from a fitness point of view, there have been tell-tale signs for about a year that while he will catch the eye when he does attempt to press and chase down, he is now more akin to Sergio in this respect, rather than Jesus, in his intelligence of doing it effectively?

Sometimes one of your most potent weapons can also be a weakness, so I would like to see Kev operate the false nine a lot more, rather than be just a big name body into the standard midfield three.
 
i think Wan Bissaka has completely controlled Sterling for about 4 or 5 of the last derbies now, he's got him completely figured. Strange Pep picked him to face him again.

Lots of things went wrong, simple passes, finishing was all off, press was weak, huge gaps between front 4 and back 6, just wrong. Nevermind, we were always going to lose soon, shame it had to be against them

A healthy dose of reality heading into the business end of the season.
 
Grassland Blue said:
Leicester are our main threat.
They keep plodding along quietly picking up wins.
They seem to be building up a head of steam at the right time.
I think that we will win the league but the gap to second could well be around 6 points.
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Not a chance mate, they are hanging in by skin of their teeth already.

Taken apart by Arsenal and a late goal at Brighton.

They are really suffering with injuries to Maddison and Barnes, with Vardy also right on the limit with his hammy.

They will try and stay top four and throw everything at their FA Cup game with United.
 
shemnel said:
i think Wan Bissaka has completely controlled Sterling for about 4 or 5 of the last derbies now, he's got him completely figured. Strange Pep picked him to face him again.

Lots of things went wrong, simple passes, finishing was all off, press was weak, huge gaps between front 4 and back 6, just wrong. Nevermind, we were always going to lose soon, shame it had to be against them

A healthy dose of reality heading into the business end of the season.
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Foden came on and he get past him, put a lot more urgency into our play. The subs came way too late in the game to get us back in it.
 
Grassland Blue said:
It wasn't all Gabbys fault.
Martial was looking for any excuse to go down so he ran towards the most crowded part of the 18yd box where he knew that there would be some kind of contact and went down. Soft pen.
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it was but there was enough cover, he didn't need to challenge
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Agreed, but it was all a little too comfortable for United still at the back.

I'm not even sure what Kevin's current role in the team is?

This will no doubt sound harsh, but he has forgotten the thing which makes him so special, his unselfishness.

IMO, this season he has been playing the game much more for himself, essentially a free role, but seemingly more intent on shooting at goal, attempting more 'Hollywood' passes.

A lot of the top players do this when they know how good they are, maybe don't want to trust other players to do the job?

I genuinely think we might have already seen peak De Bruyne from a fitness point of view, there have been tell-tale signs for about a year that while he will catch the eye when he does attempt to press and chase down, he is now more akin to Sergio in this respect, rather than Jesus, in his intelligence of doing it effectively?

Sometimes one of your most potent weapons can also be a weakness, so I would like to see Kev operate the false nine a lot more, rather than be just a big name body into the standard midfield three.
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will be interesting to see pep's team selection wednesday, bernie and phil are certain starters for me for their energy and skill sets
 
Absolutely Gutted still, mainly because its more of we allowed it to happen. Only back to winning streak next match and getting this lot in the next cup round will make me feel better.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Sometimes one of your most potent weapons can also be a weakness, so I would like to see Kev operate the false nine a lot more, rather than be just a big name body into the standard midfield three.
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I'd prefer to see him on the right if he is going to start. He doesn't look like scoring and his main weapon these days seems to be crossing. That might play to his current strengths a bit more while he regains fitness and form.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Neither were penalties, nowhere near.

The first one was laughable, Sterling overran the ball as usual and fell over his own feet.

We created half chances, all shots from either distance or scuffed.

If you break it down, only Zinchenko's drive from the edge of the area and Rodri's off the top of the bar gave Henderson much to even worry about.
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So true, we never got behind them, their full back always had the upper hand.

Wan-Bissake had and has the measure of Sterling, fatty Shaw is a much improved player this season, we badly missed Foden and Bernardo's energy yesterday.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
I'd prefer to see him on the right if he is going to start. He doesn't look like scoring and his main weapon these days seems to be crossing. That might play to his current strengths a bit more while he regains fitness and form.
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Yes, even the right hand side, but I happen to think that is Foden's best position for the next couple years?

Mahrez has played well recently and didn't do much wrong yesterday, couldn't fault his effort, so Pep should get back to picking players on performance, rather than reputation?

Allowing for tiredness, granted. Everyone goes on about our big squad but there have been signs of tiredness since before Arsenal game?
 
One game, still created chances to win it, still in a great position, still should go on and win the league, still gutted we lost, time to move on. As someone tweeted #perspective, we lost a game, a blue lost his life yesterday, #perspective
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Neither were penalties, nowhere near.

The first one was laughable, Sterling overran the ball as usual and fell over his own feet.

We created half chances, all shots from either distance or scuffed.

If you break it down, only Zinchenko's drive from the edge of the area and Rodri's off the top of the bar gave Henderson much to even worry about.
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Foden should have scored, Sterling missed a sitter, decent half chances for jesus, gundog and Rodri. Another game we score 4. De bruyne was poor but he's the sort of player that will win us the CL. As they say form is temporary class is permanent.
 
Keeper! said:
The Rags showed we still have a lot of improvements to make.

We still have major weaknesses against counter attacking teams, we still look vulnerable.

We put together a quite incredible run, but yet again failed against a poor United team, very, very disappointing.
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True but the start was appalling. Jesus was putting his arm all over Rashford and Taylor had no option but to give it . If Jesus lets Rashford alone then they get nothing as he's going square along the line of our box with defenders in numbers. A rush of blood to the head wrecks the game. I hope someone has had words. It's disgraceful at this level
 
No matter the players and the tactics, there's always a chance that we lose. That's football. The probability that we'd concede a penalty in the 1st minute was absolutely minimal but it happened and influenced the whole game. Literally nothing guarantees a win and a great performance in football. That's why it is such a special game.

Don't think Pep underestimates the derby. He has won 5 times at their ground. His record there is fantastic. 5 wins from 8 games is probably some record there. It's his record at the Etihad which is poor. Probably because it just happens that the away games are more important to us than the home games. Another factor is that we are more cautious at their ground and don't make silly mistakes.
 
paulsimpson said:
True but the start was appalling. Jesus was putting his arm all over Rashford and Taylor had no option but to give it . If Jesus lets Rashford alone then they get nothing as he's going square along the line of our box with defenders in numbers. A rush of blood to the head wrecks the game. I hope someone has had words. It's disgraceful at this level
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Stupid and unnecessary challenge.

Even without that, I still think we would have struggled to win the game, the way Pep set us up played to their strengths.

They have pace on the counter and very good defensive full backs, we had little pace or energy yesterday.
 
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