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hammocity said:
Mate's grandson, 15, tested negative so went to school (Stalybridge) on Monday, had another test, negative, kid sat next to him was positive, sent home and now goes back on the 19th

Brother in Law gets tested twice a week at work, he went in Monday and was informed his Friday previous colleague had tested positive, sent home. Meanwhile my sister (his wife) was taking my Dad to Oldham hospital when she got the call, she's isolating now but could easily be asymptotic and passed to my Dad, he's been vaccinated, sister and BIL haven't.

To anyone who thinks we are out of this please wobble head, there's a reason the lockdown is still on.
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Sobering post, just the sort that brings it all home, we've a way to go yet.
 
hammocity said:
Mate's grandson, 15, tested negative so went to school (Stalybridge) on Monday, had another test, negative, kid sat next to him was positive, sent home and now goes back on the 19th

Brother in Law gets tested twice a week at work, he went in Monday and was informed his Friday previous colleague had tested positive, sent home. Meanwhile my sister (his wife) was taking my Dad to Oldham hospital when she got the call, she's isolating now but could easily be asymptotic and passed to my Dad, he's been vaccinated, sister and BIL haven't.

To anyone who thinks we are out of this please wobble head, there's a reason the lockdown is still on.
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Correct..its going to be an interesting few months ahead
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I see we now have less cases and a lower average death rate than Germany, which has been the bench mark for major European countries in dealing with covid. Our cases are still dropping albeit at a slower rate and theirs are sadly now rising again. Our death and case rates have both dropped more quickly from much higher points than Germany's. I'm guessing this is mainly due to the success of our vaccination program?
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Not yet. It's almost entirely the result of the hardest lock down in Europe right now.

The vaccination should enable us to lift restrictions without cases during again, but has had only a small impact on car's and deaths so far. The lock down has crushed them.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Not yet. It's almost entirely the result of the hardest lock down in Europe right now.

The vaccination should enable us to lift restrictions without cases during again, but has had only a small impact on car's and deaths so far. The lock down has crushed them.
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The hardest lockdown in europe, i didnt realise that. I would have also thought that the vaccines that were rolled out im Jan would have had an impact on cases and therefore deaths? Why would this not be the case? Thanks
 
unicorn said:
You make a very fair point about us letting our guard down if it's all good news. I'd like to hear more from the health services putting recent success in getting cases under some sort of control into context; our intensive care capacity is still under stress and it'll take a long while to get non-Covid services back where they were.

As @ctwrd just said, it's the lack of balance that's the problem.
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Exactly, I understand the need not to over egg the pudding as that is a risk. And we do need to follow the slowly slowly not catchee covid plan for emerging out of lockdown that is the right approach we are taking.

But I just do not like the deliberate use of out of date information. You can still tell the truth without adding - so go out and party like its 2019.

The TV news last night as usual shared the news on hospital numbers three hours after posting on here the ones they might get round to telling you tonight or more likely tomorrow.

That is a combination of laziness or simply not knowing/caring that the data they tell you is at minimum 24 hours old and yet told to you as the up to date numbers today.

Its not like these things are state secrets or you could not find it for yourself easily.

The manipulation here is entirely on the presentation of old news as current news. And that is simply not what when I worked for the BBC, or Sky or ITV was at all what they were about. They loved to be ahead of the game. The internet has I think created a kind of national idleness that takes the easy path via Mr Google not the path writers are trained to use. Follow the clues.
 
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Churchlawtonblue said:
The hardest lockdown in europe, i didnt realise that. I would have also thought that the vaccines that were rolled out im Jan would have had an impact on cases and therefore deaths? Why would this not be the case? Thanks
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They have had an impact - the FT there have tried to quantify it.

But the lock down has had a much, much bigger impact so far.
 
German quarantine rules against the Kent Variant has resulted in City’s home Champions League tie against BMG being moved to Budapest. BMG would have had to be quarantined for 2 weeks if the game was played at the Etihad.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I see we now have less cases and a lower average death rate than Germany, which has been the bench mark for major European countries in dealing with covid. Our cases are still dropping albeit at a slower rate and theirs are sadly now rising again. Our death and case rates have both dropped more quickly from much higher points than Germany's. I'm guessing this is mainly due to the success of our vaccination program?
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Also the lockdown state which is a tougher regieme than Germany.
Oh and Test and Trace which has actually been working since mid December.
 
Healdplace said:
Exactly, I understand the need not to over egg the pudding as that is a risk. And we do need to follow the slowly slowly not catchee covid plan for emerging out of lockdown that is the right approach we are taking.

But I just do not like the deliberate use of out of date information. You can still tell the truth without adding - so go out and party like its 2019.

The TV news last night as usual shared the news on hospital numbers three hours after posting on here the ones they might get round to telling you tonight or more likely tomorrow.

That is a combination of laziness or simply not knowing/caring that the data they tell you is at minimum 24 hours old and yet told to you as the up to date numbers today.

Its not like these things are state secrets or you could not find it for yourself easily.

The manipulation here is entirely on the presentation of old news as current news. And that is simply not what when I worked for the BBC, or Sky or ITV was at all what they were about. They loved to be ahead of the game. The internet has I think created a kind of national idleness that takes the easy path via Mr Google not the path writers are trained to use. Follow the clues.
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I follow you as a font of all knowledge and ask if you know what the vaccinating situation is in Manchester city for those aged 64.
 
On the latest weekly pop score for England regions (based on the 6 day old finalised data remember) North West is now the 'best' placed of all the regions outside the south. Quite a turnaround driven by the very good numbers in HM especially over the past week.

Bar last night where GM did not do so well sadly. Hopefully not start of a new climb 'up' the table to bottom again.


Here is the table:- Recall the 'highest' weekly pop score (cases per 100K people over previous 7 days basically) makes you bottom. The lower your Pop Score and the faster it falls the better.

REGION // WEEKLY POP SCORE ON 4 MAR DATA // PREVIOUS WK SCORE // CHANGE (VERYWHERE IS DOWN)


YORKSHIRE 100 // 135 // down 35 (26%)

EAST MIDLANDS 89 // 145 // down 56 (38%)

NORTH EAST 84 // 114 // down 30 (26%)

WEST MIDLANDS 79 // 129 // down 50 (39%)

NORTH WEST 78 // 129 // down 51 (39%)

EAST 51 // 79 // down 28 (36%)

LONDON 43 // 66 // down 23 (34%)

SOUTH EAST 39 // 65 // down 26 (40%)

SOUTH WEST 34 // 54 // down 20 (36%)


For comparison as of last night in Greater Manchester - Rochdale 'top' of the GM table at 120 is above every region. As is Salford at 111 and Tameside at 109.

The other 7 GM boroughs are all below 100 too.

Bolton - just - at 99. And with Wigan at 98, Oldham at 90, Stockport at 88 and Bury at 87 ahead of all the other 8 English regions - including the NW average.

With Manchester at 83 just below the NE but ahead of the NW average and only Trafford at 65 below the NW average.


However, in the near week since the Gov finalised list data above ALL the GM boroughs bar one have fallen from where they were on that date. So will have carried on falling for at least the next five day of these regional pop score tables to come.

There was a blip last night where cases rose in GM week to week for several places. So we will see what happens tonight.

However only one GM borough has gone up significantly over several recent days - rising from 99 four days ago to 111 last night. That is Salford.
 
everythingchangesbutblue said:
Can all the media bashing be moved to the covid journalism thread that a mod created. Just as people moan if this thread gets political then the trump style media attacks should be moved too.
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Can an the posts asking for a post to me moved to a different thread, be put in the covid request to move post to a different thread thread?
 
Mike Cledford said:
I follow you as a font of all knowledge and ask if you know what the vaccinating situation is in Manchester city for those aged 64.
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I am certainly not that I should stress.

But in my experience it varies from practice to practice. It is not based on where you live but your GP and their lists.

In my family a younger husband has had the jab versus his (several years older) wife despite living in the same house because they are registered at different practices.

But almost everywhere should be well through the 60 - 65s by now. The percentage numbers are quite high in that range for those having had the first jab.

I believe you can go onto the actual national site and self book in that age range now and you do not need to wait for a letter. Which in almost every case (my own included) comes AFTER the person has been contacted already by phone call or text or taken the initiative and booked themselves.
 
Healdplace said:
I am certainly not that I should stress.

But in my experience it varies from practice to practice. It is not based on where you live but your GP and their lists.

In my family a younger husband has had the jab versus his (several years older) wife despite living in the same house because they are registered at different practices.

But almost everywhere should be well through the 60 - 65s by now. The percentage numbers are quite high in that range for those having had the first jab.

I believe you can go onto the actual national site and self book in that age range now and you do not need to wait for a letter. Which in almost every case (my own included) comes AFTER the person has been contacted already by phone call or text or taken the initiative and booked themselves.
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Actually book 55 and over now
www.nhs.uk

Book, change, or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online

Book, change or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online.
www.nhs.uk www.nhs.uk
 
True_Blue69 said:
Can an the posts asking for a post to me moved to a different thread, be put in the covid request to move post to a different thread thread?
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I see both sides of this. It is easy to get carried away on some points but it is hard to disentangle everything that has a direct impact on Covid and where we stand without literally having half a dozen threads that will end up just repeating the same things.

This is why I choose only to post in here because when talking about the pandemic it needs to be a continuous thread.

All we have to do is be careful not to over do the more peripheral things that might be better elsewhere.

Here I commented because the point was central to the easing of lockdown and how we handle the next few weeks. You have to discuss that in a thread about the virus as it is the end game we are all desperate to see.

And having had direct experience working with the media I know the crucial role they will play in guiding how this develops.
 
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