Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Northern Ireland data:

1 death - was 4 last week

146 cases - was 172 last week

9.9% positivity - was 9.8% last week

1309 - seven day rolling cases total - down from 1311 yesterday but up from 1223 last week

14 Care Home outbreaks - same as yesterday - was 18 last week.

180 patients - down 3 from yesterday - was 226 last week.

18 ventilated - same as yesterday - was 25 last week.


Another good day here.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Nearly twice as many people have died here than in Germany and their economy has taken a much smaller hit.

Getting out sooner will help, but the overall impact here on both health and economy will be far higher, and there's no way from where we are now that we're going to end up net ahead.

Italy, maybe.
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spoken like a true lefty. Let’s see.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Nearly twice as many people have died here than in Germany and their economy has taken a much smaller hit.

Getting out sooner will help, but the overall impact here on both health and economy will be far higher, and there's no way from where we are now that we're going to end up net ahead.

Italy, maybe.
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Maybe offer to pay 10% of the cost of a holiday if taken in the UK versus going to Europe.

Ditto for buying UK products made here not abroad,

I think our home economy - entertainment and shopping etc - will bounce back unexpectedly fast. As it will be like opening up after the war where there was less option and no money. The more we can boost that side of things the more we can look longer term toward exports. That will be harder now no doubt as most countries will urge their own people to buy at home.

In the short term it will be like being released from prison and we need to assure as much as possible of that goes into the UK coffers.

However, we are NOT there yet!
 
118 England hospital deaths by region:

26 Midlands, 21 London. 19 North West, 17 South East, 14 NE & Yorkshire, 14 East, 7 South West

Nowhere above 7 deaths (Middlesex) - most in NW 4 each in Bolton and Blackpool

By age:

20 - 39 (1) 0.9%

40 - 59 (19) 16.1%

60 - 79 (49) 41.5%

80 PLUS (49) 41.5%


That is a low 80 plus percentage and another high (17%) of under 60s.
 
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England hospital deaths wk to wk:

571 / 64 NW / 11%

436 / 56 NW / 13% (24% wk to week fall)

307 / 59 NW / 18% (30% wk to wk fall)

257 / 40 NW / 16% (16% wk to wk fall)

185 / 18 NW / 10% (28% wk to wk fall)

118 / 19 NW / 16% (36% wk to wk fall) TODAY
 
worsleyweb said:
spoken like a true lefty. Let’s see.
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WTF has that got to do with lefties?

Germany has had ~half the deaths and a far lower economic hit than us. They have vaccinated their most vulnerable already, so are extremely unlikely to suddently double their death toll.

These are just facts, they don't have a political orientation.
 
Healdplace said:
Maybe offer to pay 10% of the cost of a holiday if taken in the UK versus going to Europe.

Ditto for buying UK products made here not abroad,

I think our home economy - entertainment and shopping etc - will bounce back unexpectedly fast. As it will be like opening up after the war where there was less option and no money. The more we can boost that side of things the more we can look longer term toward exports. That will be harder now no doubt as most countries will urge their own people to buy at home.

In the short term it will be like being released from prison and we need to assure as much as possible of that goes into the UK coffers.

However, we are NOT there yet!
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100% that will be the case. Remember last summer when we had some kind or normality back for a short time? It was impossible to get a holiday in the UK and everywhere was packed with people. Providing the road map is achieved this year will be like that on steroids. Going to be a great summer, festivals all sold out in record time and everyone is raring to go.
 
Healdplace said:
Maybe offer to pay 10% of the cost of a holiday if taken in the UK versus going to Europe.

Ditto for buying UK products made here not abroad,

I think our home economy - entertainment and shopping etc - will bounce back unexpectedly fast. As it will be like opening up after the war where there was less option and no money. The more we can boost that side of things the more we can look longer term toward exports. That will be harder now no doubt as most countries will urge their own people to buy at home.

In the short term it will be like being released from prison and we need to assure as much as possible of that goes into the UK coffers.

However, we are NOT there yet!
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I think it's very hard to predict exactly what will happen to anyone's economy next. Personally I suspect there will be huge changes (working from home, city centres, perhaps making supply chains more national rather than global, healthcare investment etc etc). And of course for the UK there will be a huge impact of Brexit (without commenting whether for good or ill, just that it will be big).

It is clear, however, from what's already passed, there's no way on earth we'll come out of it net ahead of Germany. It's quite impossible.
 
Len Rum said:
Eastern Europe is the worst - Czechia and Hungary et al.
Western Europe not so bad although Italy is creeping up again.
Probably poor lockdown control is the main reason at the minute but the poor vaccine roll out means it will take longer to bring the numbers down.
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Remember when many were criticising fellow brits for not adhering to lockdown rules whilst our European friends apparently all acted immaculate? I don’t see anyone now praising the general population for how well the vast majority have followed the rules, whereas in Europe there are protests, increased case numbers and a general lack of compliance leading to a surge in cases.
 
worsleyweb said:
Germany and Italy far worse impact on economy - I have read many reports today about how our economy will bounce back far quicker due to the vaccine rollout succes so they are heavility interlinked. We have told the truth on deaths from day one. You are and have been absolutely desperate from day one for us to be the worst as you will go to any length possible to hate the governments efforts as you well know.
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Hello mate.
Unlike you I'm capable of holding two opposing ideas on a situation.
So to spell it out simply for you:
Vaccine procurement and roll out - excellent - the figures are there for all to see.
Measures to control pandemic March to December 2020 appalling and incompetent as evidenced by one of the worse hits to economy TO DATE ( i.e. not as you speculate in the future this is unknown) and deaths per capita in the world TO DATE ( i.e. not in the future)
Maybe these comparisons will change - we'll see.
But that is the situation to date.
Your problem is that you can't handle any criticism of the Tory Government.
And you come down very hard on anyone who suggests there could be legitimate issues or problems in reducing the spread of the virus.
@Marvin raised a issue concerning variants the other day and yet all you could do was have a pop at him (twice).
Maybe you worry too much, I don't know, but try to be less critical for no good reason and take your Tory glasses off.
PS Your recent reply to @roubaixtuesday just confirms my point.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Remember when many were criticising fellow brits for not adhering to lockdown rules whilst our European friends apparently all acted immaculate? I don’t see anyone now praising the general population for how well the vast majority have followed the rules, whereas in Europe there are protests, increased case numbers and a general lack of compliance leading to a surge in cases.
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I'll take you up on that!

Since the fiasco of 2020 the UK now has an excellent strategy of suppressing the virus hard whilst vaccinating fast, then opening up in a controlled way.

This has been strongly supported by the population and resulted in going from the worst mortality in the world to nearly the best in Europe in the space of two months.

The next couple of months will be hard, but everyone is optimistic now.

[I think presenting the whole of Europe as a basket case is entirely wrong too btw]
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I think it's very hard to predict exactly what will happen to anyone's economy next. Personally I suspect there will be huge changes (working from home, city centres, perhaps making supply chains more national rather than global, healthcare investment etc etc). And of course for the UK there will be a huge impact of Brexit (without commenting whether for good or ill, just that it will be big).

It is clear, however, from what's already passed, there's no way on earth we'll come out of it net ahead of Germany. It's quite impossible.
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I agree and economics is not my thing so I am not going to worry about how we do versus anybody really. Just how WE do period so people still have livelihoods and jobs and some kind of normality - even though working might indeed change radically

I suspect we will give lots of contracts to UK companies to rebuild infrastructure - as we see with what look like daft plans to build a bridge between Scotland and Ireland or a tunnel with a roundabout underneath the Isle of Man.

It might be a big day for all those who ever came up with crackpot plans if someone thinks they will boost jobs and the economy.

But that will be for 2022.

We have to get through 2021 first. And if todays rumours are true that over 60s will be getting a THIRD jab in August to deal with variants a lot of vaccinating still to do.

At this rate by the autumn my arm will be more like a pin cushion.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I don't think this has anything to do with politics.

Adverse events reported => recall batch used, consider risk/benefit of continuing wider programme is a perfectly normal response.

Different juristictions take different views on risk/benefit.

Or do the Democratic Republic of Congo have a political beef with AZ - they've postponed starting their programme?

I mean, I don't necessarily agree it's sensible, after all I had my AZ jab yesterday, but I don't think it's political.
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Really? What planet are you on?
 
BlueAnorak said:
Really? What planet are you on?
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Really. What's the political beef the DRC have with AstraZeneca? Seriously.

Some countries (Germany) have continued, others (Denmark) have stopped.

Do you think Denmark is politically opposed to the UK, but Germany our ally?

Your position makes no sense.
 
Total deaths today - with out of hospital England to come. 133 - was 214 last week,

Big wk to wk fall.

And three nation cases with England to come back under 1000 at 995 - so just!

Last week was 892. So up 103 wk to wk.
 
5534 cases - fall of 1075 and nearer the Zoe app prediction earlier.

First week to week fall in a few days too. Was 6040 last Saturday

121 all settings deaths

A few of todays were old again (12 of the 118 England hospital not in February or March)

But also report one out of hospital England source not reporting today due to tech issues and will report tomorrow. But we are likely talking very small add on at weekends
 
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roubaixtuesday said:
It is clear, however, from what's already passed, there's no way on earth we'll come out of it net ahead of Germany. It's quite impossible.
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I thought you were a facts man.
Take the beginning of the year as the approx start of the UK vac push, and the pound is over 5% better than the Euro.
The UK is seen as being far superior to Germany at the moment.
 
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