Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

But the head of the Italian medicines agency said it was a political decision?

You do keep ignoring this simple fact.

See "nuance"

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

See "nuance"

That's French not Italian..

 

[meltonblue]

Mate in Notts says they're doing the 'naughty' 40's group now.

They opened up the booking for three hours yesterday then reversed it.

 

[KS55]

See "nuance"

And worth adding that when the guy said 'political', he probably meant 'decided by politicians' i.e. nothing sinister.

 

[jazzy]

Took part in AZ trail , went today for blood test and was given my results had both done , first in Nov 2nd in Dec

 

[west didsblue]

But the head of the Italian medicines agency said it was a political decision?

You do keep ignoring this simple fact.

You need to get over your obsession with painting anything EU related in a bad light because of your Brexit stance. We all know they’ve done a poor job with their vaccine rollout and it seems very likely they’ve overreacted with the AZ issue, but repeating this nonsense about them having done it to somehow have a dig at the UK is a bit pathetic.

 

[unicorn]

Near Lampeter, through Sykes Cottages.

One of my favourite bits of the UK; great for pubs and walking (though a curry house in Lampeter subbed cress for coriander years ago !).

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Just seen itv news. Same number of blood clots in Pfizer as in AZ vaccinated people. With 37 reports in 11million people, when normally you would get 200 cases. Other European countries decided they had no choice but to suspend the roll out based soley on Germanys decision lol, ignoring the EMA advice, the WHO advice and even their own data, as they have had much fewer or no cases of clots themselves. They did this they said to try and put more faith in the AZ vaccine long term, as it was untennable to expect their citizens to take the AZ vaccine, while Germany had paused?! For citizens perhaps we should use the word sheep?

Anybody can easily work out that this decision will be a disaster for these countries vaccination programme. But lets just sweep that little detail aside.

If that isnt a political decision then im a banana.

 

[west didsblue]

Just seen itv news. Same number of blood clots in Pfizer as in AZ vaccinated people. And other European countries decided they had no choice but to suspend the roll out based soley on Germanys decision, ignoring the EMA advice. Even though they have had much fewer or no cases themselves of clots. They did this they said to put more faith in the AZ vaccine??? If that isnt a political decision then im a banana.

Careful no one slips on you.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Just seen itv news. Same number of blood clots in Pfizer as in AZ vaccinated people. And other European countries decided they had no choice but to suspend the roll out based soley on Germanys decision, ignoring the EMA advice. Even though they have had much fewer or no cases themselves of clots. They did this they said to put more faith in the AZ vaccine??? If that isnt a political decision then im a banana.

It's not JUST the number of clots, though. It will be a number of factors such as ages and pre-existing conditions of those affected, the type of clots, the duration between vaccination and the clot developing and possibly other things.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

This is costing lives all across mainland Europe. They should be focusing on saving lives not attempting to save face by stalling in an attempt to cover for their previous inaction.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It's not JUST the number of clots, though. It will be a number of factors such as ages and pre-existing conditions of those affected, the type of clots, the duration between vaccination and the clot developing and possibly other things.

Ignoring the advice of the EMA, WHO and their own data, for a risk which is significantly less than normal, ie not actually a risk! With many more people dying as a result is utter and complete madness. Im sorry there is no justification for this decision. if the clots were higher than normal then sure they may have a case. But it is 5 times lower!

 

[frothy]

You need to get over your obsession with painting anything EU related in a bad light because of your Brexit stance. We all know they’ve done a poor job with their vaccine rollout and it seems very likely they’ve overreacted with the AZ issue, but repeating this nonsense about them having done it to somehow have a dig at the UK is a bit pathetic.

Why have they done it then? Serious question, their own body has said its safe along with the WHO

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Why have they done it then? Serious question, their own body has said its safe along with the WHO

Translation of German institute overseeing vaccinating here



There is a rationale, though personally I think suspending was wrong.

 

[Healdplace]

HOSPITAL DATA


Headline UK patients below 7000, UK ventilators below 1000, both first time in months. The falls keep on coming

UK total:


Patients 6926 - it was 39, 248 at the peak on 18 Jan - (fall of 32, 322 in 57 days) :- lowest since 18 October

Ventilators 968 - it was 4077 at the peak on 24 Jan - (fall of 3109 in 51 days) : lowest since 28 October


England only:-

ADMISSIONS:-

357 Covid admissions (14 March) - following 385, 386, 449, 494 before. 357 is lowest in many weeks.


PATIENTS:-

down 312 in day to 5664 v 7451 last week :- lowest since 19 October.

Peak was 34, 336 on 18 Jan (fall 28, 672 in 57 days)

Ventilators: Down in day 48 to 882 v 1181 last week :- lowest since 1 November

Peak was 3736 on 24 Jan (fall 2854 in 51 days)



Regions:



Patient // Ventilators // change in past 24 hours and v last week


East down 34 to 532 v 709 // down 6 to 84 v 107

London down 47 to 1138 v 1481 // down 11 to 287 v 358

Midlands down 54 to 1249 v 1653 // down 11 to 196 v 257

NE & Yorks down 75 to 910 v 1221 // down 3 to 112 v 165

North West down 40 to 952 v 1167// down 9 to 106 v 141

South East down 37 to 676 v 937 // down 7 to 68 v 118

South West down 25 to 207 v 293 // down 1 to 29 v 41

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Ignoring the advice of the EMA, WHO and their own data, for a risk which is significantly less than normal, ie not actually a risk! With many more people dying as a result is utter and complete madness. Im sorry there is no justification for this decision. if the clots were higher than normal then sure they may have a case. But it is 5 times lower!

I agree it sounds madness to suspend their programmes, I'm just not certain it's done politically and we just don't have the full data to suggest it.

 

[Manc in London]

England hospital deaths 101 - with 26 from NW - so big catch up in the region as usual.

This is one of the two biggest days of the week with Wednesdays because of the catch up data.

Last week it was 164 and 35 from NW btw. So that is a large week to week fall again. Of around 40%.

Oh and again 15 of them today were weeks old and so were not even in February or March.

We cannot be far off reaching the positive test and death numbers of July and August. Really encouraging, especially when you consider schools are back.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

"But other EU members, including Poland and Belgium, are continuing its use."
... and here come the Belgians.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I agree it sounds madness to suspend their programmes, I'm just not certain it's done politically and we just don't have the full data to suggest it.

So you are saying the decision of France to ignore their own data and the advice of the EMA and the WHO and follow Germany because they didn't think they could ask their citizens to take the vaccine while Germany had paused their programme was not political? Really ?

 

[Healdplace]

GM Weekly Pop Scores after today:~

Borough / Score Today / Score 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop scores going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop Score is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.


Rochdale 121 / 120 / UP 1 Testing positive 9.2%

Tameside 119 / 109 / UP 10 Testing positive 7.8%

Wigan 105/ 98/ UP 7 Testing positive 8.5%

Salford 104 / 111 down 7 Testing positive 8.6%

Bolton 101 / 99 / UP 2 Testing positive 8.7%

Oldham 98 / 90 UP 8 Testing positive 9.3%

Stockport 94 / 88 / UP 6 Testing positive 6.9%

Oldham 96 / 87 / UP 9 Testing positive 9.3%.

Manchester 88 / 83 / UP 5 Testing positive 9.2%

Bury 73 / 87 down 14 Testing positive 8.7%

Trafford 49 / 65 / down 16 Testing positive 6.7%


Some ups today but a few downs and nobody well up now happily.

Trafford had another amazing day and has the first GM sub 50 weekly Pop Score since late Summer.

Bury also doing really well.

And Manchester - never noted for low scores given the size of the population - surprisingly high up this table.

Notice the Testing positive %. In effect the minimum number in the borough who have had Covid. Though it will be much higher in truth. THAT plus vaccinations is pushing those boroughs towards herd immunity. Hence - we hope - low low numbers.