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101 England hospital deaths by region:

26 North West, 23 London, 17 North East & Yorkshire, 15 Midlands, 12 South East, 6 South West & 2 East

8 in Kings London the most,7 in North Lincs and 5 in Leicester next.

In North West spread evenly with 5 Pennine Acute and 3 each in Blackpool and Wigan. Everyone else just 1s and 2s.

By age:

20 - 39 (1) 1.0%

40 - 59 (10) 9 %

60 - 79 (48) 48%

80 PLUS (42) 42%

One of the lowest 80 Plus numbers
 
England hospital deaths wk to wk:

474 / 112 NW / 24%

372 / 58 NW / 16% (down 22 % wk to wk)

279 / 57 NW / 20% (down 25% wk to wk)

164 / 35 NW / 21% (down 41% wk to wk)

101 / 25 NW / 26% (down 39% wk to wk) TODAY

The percentage of the NW caused by the weekend delay has been going up. But the week to week fall in cases has accelerated.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Nuance again...

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So they have gone from discovering a reason why AZ should only be given to under 65s - as it was not safe for the older age group - to one where it is only possibly safe FOR over 65s and might be dangerous to under 65s?

If I read that right.

The data certainly needs assessing properly. That I can see.

Is there any check on this rare type of clot post vaccination in the UK being made do we know?

The fact this mostly impacts women makes me ponder any connection with birth control / or HRT - known to raise this threat but still taken by millions, of course - though that would tend only to be an issue post menopause and this seems to impact younger women.
 
Healdplace said:
So they have gone from discovering a reason why AZ should only be given to under 65s - as it was not safe for the older age group - to one where it is only possibly safe FOR over 65s and might be dangerous to under 65s?

If I read that right.

The data certainly needs assessing properly. That I can see.

Is there any check on this rare type of clot post vaccination in the UK being made do we know?
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I think you can be *very* sure that every agency is combing through all of their data with a fine tooth comb right now.

And yes, the irony of the potential age flip-flop struck me too.

*If* the effect is real, of course, and failing a full understanding of the mechanism, there is every possibility that it applies to either all the other vaccines (same fundamental mechanism - spike protein response) or at least all other viral vector vaccines (J&J, Sputnik, Sinovac too IIRC) which are very similarl. Indeed, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that AZ is better or worse than average of the class.

It still strikes me as very odd that if the effect is detectable at all it hasn't been seen in the UK. Purely on that basis I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be insignificant or nonexistent. We'll see.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I think you can be *very* sure that every agency is combing through all of their data with a fine tooth comb right now.

And yes, the irony of the potential age flip-flop struck me too.

*If* the effect is real, of course, and failing a full understanding of the mechanism, there is every possibility that it applies to either all the other vaccines (same fundamental mechanism - spike protein response) or at least all other viral vector vaccines (J&J, Sputnik, Sinovac too IIRC) which are very similarl. Indeed, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that AZ is better or worse than average of the class.

It still strikes me as very odd that if the effect is detectable at all it hasn't been seen in the UK. Purely on that basis I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be insignificant or nonexistent. We'll see.
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Astra Zeneca's numbers suggest that, even if all clots are ascribed to the jab, the chances of getting a clot from the jab are 0.00005%. Makes the whole shenanigans look rediculous.
 
Total cases for the three nations today 903.


Wk to wk: 1389 v 1197 v 861 v 872 v 903

The plateau in cases is evident but not rising much at all happily
 
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GaudinoMotors said:
An exercise in saving face, at the expense of lives.
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From the German agency Q&A translation posted above

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You may not agree with the decision, but it appears to be clearly motivated by a possibility of a small number of fatalities associated with the vaccine.

I really don't think that counts as "face saving" or "shenanigans" as another poster put it.

It doesn't necessarily mean suspension was the best way to handle this either, of course, given that we're in a pandemic.
 
KS55 said:
Astra Zeneca's numbers suggest that, even if all clots are ascribed to the jab, the chances of getting a clot from the jab are 0.00005%. Makes the whole shenanigans look rediculous.
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The suspension was prompted by further reports beyond that, and all of an otherwise rare condition.

(again, I'm not saying it was the right decision, but it's not arbitrary or without any justification)
 
roubaixtuesday said:
From the German agency Q&A translation posted above

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You may not agree with the decision, but it appears to be clearly motivated by a possibility of a small number of fatalities associated with the vaccine.

I really don't think that counts as "face saving" or "shenanigans" as another poster put it.

It doesn't necessarily mean suspension was the best way to handle this either, of course, given that we're in a pandemic.
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If there 1.4 cases per 1m recipients, that is a chance of 0.00014%.
I'll take that chance on May 1, booked in for jab2.
The rags are more likely to win the title this year and I won't be betting on them!
EDIT. Sorry looked up the normal figure, the %age above should be: 0.00042 to 0.00056.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Because to state "at present there is no indication that the vaccination has caused these conditions" I.e. its safe! But to then say you are evaluating its safety is what is ridiculous.
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Not really, an issue has been flagged, everyone the UK included thinks it won’t be a problem, everyone including the UK are looking into it to make sure. Some countries have decided to suspend use while they check, some countries including the UK have decided it isn’t a big enough issue on balance to suspend use while they check.
There is nothing inconsistent, or sinister about any of those things, just different assesment of risk versus the benefit of continued use.
At some point we will all reach the same conclusion on any correlation or not between the vaccine and possible side effect, then decide how to mitigate if any link found.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
From the German agency Q&A translation posted above

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You may not agree with the decision, but it appears to be clearly motivated by a possibility of a small number of fatalities associated with the vaccine.

I really don't think that counts as "face saving" or "shenanigans" as another poster put it.

It doesn't necessarily mean suspension was the best way to handle this either, of course, given that we're in a pandemic.
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Well someone has clearly got their figures wrong. Its been posted on here several times that the incidences of these clots are less than what you would expect. not higher? Also have they published figures for the Pfiezer vaccine. These patients have also had clots.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
From the German agency Q&A translation posted above

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You may not agree with the decision, but it appears to be clearly motivated by a possibility of a small number of fatalities associated with the vaccine.

I really don't think that counts as "face saving" or "shenanigans" as another poster put it.

It doesn't necessarily mean suspension was the best way to handle this either, of course, given that we're in a pandemic.
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Is it not very possible that our lifestyles during lockdown are making blood clots etc more likely? Has there even been a more sedentary populace than the one we currently have?
 
roubaixtuesday said:
From the German agency Q&A translation posted above

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You may not agree with the decision, but it appears to be clearly motivated by a possibility of a small number of fatalities associated with the vaccine.

I really don't think that counts as "face saving" or "shenanigans" as another poster put it.

It doesn't necessarily mean suspension was the best way to handle this either, of course, given that we're in a pandemic.
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But the head of the Italian medicines agency said it was a political decision?

You do keep ignoring this simple fact.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Well someone has clearly got their figures wrong. Its been posted on here several times that the incidences of these clots are less than what you would expect. not higher? Also have they published figures for the Pfiezer vaccine. These patients have also had clots.
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Its the incidence of a rare type of clot that is the issue, not the overall number. Germany reckon the rare clot occurs post vaccination at 3 times its normal rate. Still tiny, tho'.
There must be a joke about rare clots in there.
 
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