Ref Watch

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I said in the match thread that Mariner appeared to be wanting to let the game flow, letting 5 or 6 go for them... right up to the point that City committed anything close to a foul, and then he blew his whistle.

It was blatant. Then when we went 3 up he started giving fouls against them just to get his ratio up to make his stats look fair. The refereeing stats do not tell the full story of the game.
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Spot on, this has happened for years. It's a clear tactic. Like last season when Liverpool had everything under the sun go for them, and we had nothing, and as soon as they were in the clear, the opposite starting happening. In the end the stats looked ok, but it was fucking far from the truth. We know, if we got in scratching distance of them, everything would have gone against us. It's been like this for years, which is why I believe we have the best League wins.

You ask a rival when we have had something go our way in a winning season, and they can only jump to Sterling tripping over himself and getting a penalty in a UCL match, 5 years ago, that was actually a nothing game anyway. But if you think about when Utd last won the league, their season was full of awful decisions that went for them, most notably the horrific game at Chelsea, which was one of the most cringeworthy matches to watch ever. That was the game I said, ok, the refs are defo cheating and the pundits and commentators are with them, as they were just as blatant in their corrupt bias. That season Utd had no red cards against them and no penalties against them, until they had mathematically won the league, and trust me, they should have given many penalties away and had a few red cards to boot. They also scored a ridiculous amount of offside goals, had the most own goals go for them of any team ever, and a shit ton of penalties. Scudamore said publicly, they didn't want the same team winning the league two years in a row, and they had a plan to stop that. The pattern suggests, that this plan will emerge 3/4 of the way through the season before, so right now we'll start seeing the effects take place. I don't think we've had too much of a bad ride from officials this year, but what we're seeing right now is prep for next year. Which is complete and utter bollox decisions that could alter some games. We can expect much of the same next season.

I'll give you an example. I was unfortunate enough for the last few years to be dating a girl who was a scouser, and a big footy fan. I watched every Liverpool game with her on TV (obviously wanting them to lose). I remember beating them 5-0, that team is the true Liverpool team. But at the end of that season I felt they were ear marked as a potential suitors to knock us off our thrown. All of a sudden they became unbeatable. They won every game, despite playing shit football, but running 100 miles in every game, with the same team, week in week out, no injuries. I said at the time, although they were winning and everyone was licking their arse, they were actually a proper shite team, with a shit ton of luck, and probably a shit ton of juice. I said, as soon as Liverpool won the league, they'll stop getting all these nonsense decisions, keeper errors, wins that they don't deserve and we'll see them for their real self. Which is a shit team that we would absolutely destroy every day of the week. Football is corrupt for the most part. The media are in on it. The referees on it. Some players are in on it. Which is why these salty little bitches love to slate us all the time and which is why when we win the league again, it will be all the more sweeter.
 
The handball in the Palace v West Brom game looked like the part of te harm that Laporte was give offside from or even higher up the arm.
 
Xhavenjoe said:
No diving by either team or questioning refs decisions.
I couldn't remember ref stopping the game for a foul in the first half hour.
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There were a couple I thought could have been called, but he wanted football to be played, I've no idea who he was, but he was very refreshing, and reffed to the rules.
 
The ref tonight just shows up how bad the refs are in the prem. There were tackles made tonight by City players that the prem lot would be constantly blowing for. Compare tonight to the utter shit show we had last week against Southampton, its way over due that foreign refs be brought in as the current lot or are not only awful but are an utter embarrassment.
 
UsFansKnowNowt said:
I think the VAR team are failing to grasp that when they are interpreting decisions on whether a referee should be advised to change his onfield decision, they are becoming confused as to whether 'clear and obvious' is in regard to the referees reasoning or whether it's to deal with the event.

Yes, it could be argued that Moss considered the keeper may have touched the ball in a fast developing incident, and the fact Foden didn't look for the penalty also perhaps convinced Moss not to award it. What the problem is however, is that VAR appears to have analysed the footage with an aim to justify why Moss concluded what he did, rather than to tell Moss his conclusion was wrong! In short, that's the flaw, it's being used by the Referees to justify why shite decisions are made rather than rectify them.
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This is a great post. Clear and obvious is a ref herring. The VAR team is there to assist the ref. They have the tools to do it. They should have sent him to the monitor and he could have over ruled it himself. It’s just pure arrogance now at play, contrary to pretty much every other sport and officiating teams.

To err is human, to cack about making excuses based on woolly subjective terminology whilst ignoring what is blindingly obvious and stating you in the face (like the Phil decision) is inexcusable
 
Mike Cledford said:
I don't know what's gone wrong with him. It seems to be more than toeing the sly TV line. I had him after scoring the 5th against the rags as my screen saver for ages.
My concern was that on three occasions he gave his view straightaway and each time in was same as the official decision as confirmed by the officials on and off the pitch. Is that coincidence or more?
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As I said at the time the commentators were describing an incident completely at odds with what you could see with your own eyes. Really odd stuff
 
tommy116 said:
The ref tonight just shows up how bad the refs are in the prem. There were tackles made tonight by City players that the prem lot would be constantly blowing for. Compare tonight to the utter shit show we had last week against Southampton, its way over due that foreign refs be brought in as the current lot or are not only awful but are an utter embarrassment.
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It must’ve been noticed that the English ref’s have a far different outlook in the CL. They don’t seem to have the same incidents and controversy when officiating abroad.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
As I said at the time the commentators were describing an incident completely at odds with what you could see with your own eyes. Really odd stuff
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Last night's pair were much better although it felt like reluctant admittance at times especially Clown Keown.
Good to see a good refereeing display although l am not sure about the 'foot up yellow as the feet came up automatically after the tackle was complete. But l would take that ref any day over any English one.
 
Mike Cledford said:
Last night's pair were much better although it felt like reluctant admittance at times especially Clown Keown.
Good to see a good refereeing display although l am not sure about the 'foot up yellow as the feet came up automatically after the tackle was complete. But l would take that ref any day over any English one.
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Keown gets on my tits. Every sentence ends or begins with “by the way”.
 
cleavers said:
Refreshing tonight, when fouled we got free kicks, none were manufactured for the opposition, the ones given were fouls.

The refereeing in the PL is shocking/bent, I've little doubt having seen that chap tonight, neither team could have a single complaint about him.
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Agreed, thought the ref was excellent last night. Just served as a reminder of how bad the officials are in this country.
 
Ric said:
Agreed, thought the ref was excellent last night. Just served as a reminder of how bad the officials are in this country.
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Early on Kev seemed to be barged off the ball, nothing given and I thought it was going to be one of those games. Then we came away with the ball after a robust challenge and it turned out he was being even handed and not inclined to stop the game for soft free kicks. Absolutely fine!
 
cleavers said:
There were a couple I thought could have been called, but he wanted football to be played, I've no idea who he was, but he was very refreshing, and reffed to the rules.
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Sergey Karasev from Moscow, Russia. Very experienced ref, worked at the Euros, World Cup, Olympics, CL, EL etc.

edit: What's interesting, he has a (somewhat unfair) reputation of a 'bent' ref amongst Spartak Moscow fans who believe he's favouring their main rivals, CSKA Moscow. A bit like Anthony Taylor amongst City fans
 
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