The Detectives: Fighting Organised Crime

marcus said:
I think that was my fear, do something like look at my phone when driving and plough into someone. Its not something i do but just an example.

a fee years a go i had a tax situation hanging over my head (all sorted now), i was also really suffering with anxiety at the time and id lie in bed at night convincing myself i was going to prison and it was a real fear. In the end HMRC apologised and they actually owed me £250!!

i enjoy, in a twisted way i guess, the documentaries on prisons. Same as i ‘enjoyed’ the prog of which this thread is named after. But its more a perverse interest in an underworld that exists around us and so close too
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Everybody finds such documentaries fascinating for a number of reasons. For some it gives an insight into a world they know nothing about and will never enter. Others wonder if they'll know anybody in it. Everyone also probably gets that kind of weird pleasure by thinking "Thank God it's not me!" as they watch it.

A bit like these 24/7 in A+E programmes, they aren't so fascinating when you're in one.
 
paulchapo said:
Everybody finds such documentaries fascinating for a number of reasons. For some it gives an insight into a world they know nothing about and will never enter. Others wonder if they'll know anybody in it. Everyone also probably gets that kind of weird pleasure by thinking "Thank God it's not me!" as they watch it.

A bit like these 24/7 in A+E programmes, they aren't so fascinating when you're in one.
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Ive been around , for reasons i wont divulge, a lot of dodgy characters all my life from being little. I still have pals today who every few years do a bit of time (a welcome break from looking over there shoulders usually). But its still an alien world and the risks they take.
I think ‘most’ of us have broke the law, but to do it in a way knowing we’d do time if caught ... nooooooo
 
Blue Mist said:
But if another gangster took his place......
I won't say his name in case Ric is sued or more importantly I am but the guy that topped Little is a Pschiopath
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Well I grew up in Stockport and knew both of them, Little was a pure bully, loved breaking jaws just for something to do. The other went from being a speccy kid dealing phones and riding round round on mountain bikes to... well you know the rest.
 
paulchapo said:
Most people's idea of hell. I had a mate who served some time for going ott with a baseball bat on two big bullying brothers who tried targeting him. He said the worst part was being cooped up with really thick people you couldn't really have a conversation with. Most couldn't read or write. Now you have the drugs in there. For the hardened con it's no big deal. They'd rather be out of course but they know most people in there and all the tricks. For your average Joe finding himself inside would be like a goldfish dropped into a tank full of piranhas.
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Yeah. I’m sure the lad who got 19 years in that Gang of Four wasn’t the sharpest kid at school. No previous convictions then bang 19 years!
 
paulchapo said:
Everybody finds such documentaries fascinating for a number of reasons. For some it gives an insight into a world they know nothing about and will never enter. Others wonder if they'll know anybody in it. Everyone also probably gets that kind of weird pleasure by thinking "Thank God it's not me!" as they watch it.

A bit like these 24/7 in A+E programmes, they aren't so fascinating when you're in one.
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Absolutely.
But you can see the difference in the way film & television glamourise this (and they do whatever anyone says....the medium itself was born to entertain) and the stark reality.
Those ghastly men that ran Colombia's & Mexico's drug trade have an element of likability about them in the Narcos shows...all the recent 4 blocks and of course, famously, the Wire and Sopranos (and that's without mentioning Scorcese).
Real life is never like that though and there were was nothing likeable or cool about the characters in these documentaries.
I've relatives (not blood as I was adopted) in another city who got caught up in drug wars (and on the fringe/small time).
One cousin in law ended up being run over and left for dead over a small debt his son owed dealers.
He was on life support and nearly died. Years on and he's not fully recovered (I sam him for the first time last year at my mums 80th (just before lockdown and he wasn't in a good shape).

All sickly and grim.
 
paulchapo said:
You don't have to, well kind of. You could lose your rag with a knobhead, give them a smack, they fall, bang their head and die and you could possibly get five years for manslaughter. That was my greatest fear after I had a head injury. Some of my rages were instantaneous and off the scale and in that moment I definitely felt like killing the object of that rage. Thankfully I've learnt to control it and it seems to be subsiding.
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These things happen - about 23 yrs ago a mate of mine lost his life to single punch in a bit of kicking out time nonsense, Didn't seem a terrible punch or from a particularly strong /hard assailant. Just one of those things.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
These things happen - about 23 yrs ago a mate of mine lost his life to single punch in a bit of kicking out time nonsense, Didn't seem a terrible punch or from a particularly strong /hard assailant. Just one of those things.
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Yes it's often the fall on the head as a result that proves fatal, although a punch can on occasion burst a blood vessel fatally.
 
somapop said:
Absolutely.
But you can see the difference in the way film & television glamourise this (and they do whatever anyone says....the medium itself was born to entertain) and the stark reality.
Those ghastly men that ran Colombia's & Mexico's drug trade have an element of likability about them in the Narcos shows...all the recent 4 blocks and of course, famously, the Wire and Sopranos (and that's without mentioning Scorcese).
Real life is never like that though and there were was nothing likeable or cool about the characters in these documentaries.
I've relatives (not blood as I was adopted) in another city who got caught up in drug wars (and on the fringe/small time).
One cousin in law ended up being run over and left for dead over a small debt his son owed dealers.
He was on life support and nearly died. Years on and he's not fully recovered (I sam him for the first time last year at my mums 80th (just before lockdown and he wasn't in a good shape).

All sickly and grim.
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Yes real life violence isn't pretty.
 
paulchapo said:
Yes it's often the fall on the head as a result that proves fatal, although a punch can on occasion burst a blood vessel fatally.
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Yes, I think the inquest in this case was unable to decide if the punch or the pavement was to blame. Overall gave me a bit of a jolt and changed my view on violence.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yes, I think the inquest in this case was unable to decide if the punch or the pavement was to blame. Overall gave me a bit of a jolt and changed my view on violence.
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Yes it's a danger, even the most innocuous altercation can have devastating consequences. The problem is young males in every animal are aggressive and when you add drink and drugs into the mix common sense goes out of the window.

While I find it admirable a lot of ex cons give speeches trying to stop youngsters going down the road they did the saying you can't put an old head on young shoulders is very true.

Almost every death when it gets to court and is broken down starts with the most stupid trivial altercation and escalates way beyond that leading to tragedy.

I honestly don't believe that will ever change, people get triggered, react and the fuse is lit.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Yeah the Church was known for dealing even back in the early 80s, it was also known as Longsight’s main Jamaican pub whereas most of the others on the main road were more Irish. The Bay Horse, the Mad Hatter and the Garrett had a mixture
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Don't know if you go back far enough, but there was also the Springbank if you fancied a trip back to Victorian times.
 
paulchapo said:
You don't have to, well kind of. You could lose your rag with a knobhead, give them a smack, they fall, bang their head and die and you could possibly get five years for manslaughter. That was my greatest fear after I had a head injury. Some of my rages were instantaneous and off the scale and in that moment I definitely felt like killing the object of that rage. Thankfully I've learnt to control it and it seems to be subsiding.
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I went to school with a lad who was briefly imprisoned for his part in a fight in Altrincham that resulted in a tragic death from a head injury. It can happen so easily and I would even now still class him as a good lad fundamentally, but he must think of that moment every day of his life.
 
Nebuchadnezzar said:
I went to school with a lad who was briefly imprisoned for his part in a fight in Altrincham that resulted in a tragic death from a head injury. It can happen so easily and I would even now still class him as a good lad fundamentally, but he must think of that moment every day of his life.
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Yes there but for the grace of God probably go a lot of us from both sides of the fence.
 
LongsightM13 said:
First pub I ever had a pint in, was my dad’s local for years when Kevin Smith had it
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Match day, I used to go in the Gold Cup further up the road when I was about 15 have a couple then walk to the top of Dickenson Rd there was another pub round there (not the Birch Villa on the other side of the road round the back) It had loads of pics of 60's celebrities on the wall, though I never saw any in there. It was the days of the season ticket book and I did not want to bring the whole thing as it was bulky and I was likely to lose it when pissed. Nowt worse than getting to the ground and finding you had the wrong number ticket and having to pay :-(
 
HorlocksWalk said:
Match day, I used to go in the Gold Cup further up the road when I was about 15 have a couple then walk to the top of Dickenson Rd there was another pub round there (not the Birch Villa on the other side of the road round the back) It had loads of pics of 60's celebrities on the wall, though I never saw any in there. It was the days of the season ticket book and I did not want to bring the whole thing as it was bulky and I was likely to lose it when pissed. Nowt worse than getting to the ground and finding you had the wrong number ticket and having to pay :-(
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The Welcome, next to the site of the old BBC/Top of the Pops studios
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Welcome, Rusholme Grove, Rusholme. (c) NewtonBluesMCFC . The Welcome is one of the most recent of the old pubs around Maine Road to clos...
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paulchapo said:
That mention of pubs reminds me of when I got chatting to this big lump at my favourite bar in Tenerife. He was from Salford and his mother ran the Winston pub near Salford precinct affectionately known as the Fraggle by the locals for obvious reasons.

He was a decent lad and as he was propped up at the end of the bar I used to stand at I got to know him quite well. He drank that much Budweiser that the bar ran out and had to get more from other bars until their delivery came in lol. I used to drink in the old Salford, the Clowes, Trafford and Salisbury so knew the area but I wasn't overly familiar with the Winston and it had been a few years since I'd been down there. He told me to pop in if I was down there and have a drink with him.

Fast forward a few months and I was on this bus passing through Salford on my way to somewhere when looking through the window I spotted the Winston. It was like the pub from Shameless and being a bit older and wiser than my reckless youth I decided to pass up the invitation to pop in for a drink lol!
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Never drink in a pub with a flat roof.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Until the 60s when we joined the war on drugs there were only 3 or 4 thousands heroin addicts in the UK and they got their heroin from their doctor along with help to quit the drug. Burglary and crimes against property were very small in number compared to now.
Within 20 years of declaring war on people in desperate need we had hundreds of thousands of heroin addicts and crime against property as well as violent crime had exploded.
Not to mention we handed over a business worth 8bn per year in this country alone to gangsters and thugs.

All because the Americans demanded we do so in order that they could subjugate their immigrant population. They used the war debt on us and other western nations as leverage.

Is was a craven and shameful decision by the British government that we are all paying for every single day.
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nailed it.
 
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