Commission on Race & Ethnic Disparities

"There is a new story about the Caribbean experience which speaks to the slave period not only being about profit and suffering but how culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain."

If there was a sentence that makes me more sympathetic to rolling Colson's statue into the harbour where slave ships plied their trade, that would be it. And I don't even understand what he means. "Apart from all the profit and the suffering, half a million people being enslaved by Bristol traders had its good side."
 
I said the report would be forgotten in a week. It will be hard pushed to make it beyond 48 hours. Times piece summing it up nicely. Some good points, shame about the packaging.

"The government had the perfect opportunity to address it in the Sewell report, but opted instead, not only to avoid facing up to the problem, but to undermine the efforts of those fighting to resolve it more sincerely"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/race-report-has-sensible-points-but-lacks-credibility-cprjwq9gf?
 
The perfect fumble said:
The report says social class has a bigger impact than race on how people’s lives turn out.
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What - you mean like if you attend Eton you are more likely to be PM or hold high office? If you attend certain universities you are likely to get a senior role in Britains secret services............??? Really?
 
bluethrunthru said:
What - you mean like if you attend Eton you are more likely to be PM or hold high office? If you attend certain universities you are likely to get a senior role in Britains secret services............??? Really?
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Yes, really.

And The Times, owned by super rich Rupert Murdoch, is happy to rubbish the report, it serves his purpose to say the report is an establishment swerve, because regardless of whether the report is shite or not, rubbishing the report destroys the one nugget of irrefutable truth in it, the truth about social class.

Rupert Murdoch doesn't lose a wink of sleep about institutional racism, but any serious attempt to address social class would require a fundamental change to the ownership of wealth, that does keep him up at night.

Smart right wingers are happy to see societies convulse themselves over race, because it leaves the field open for them to continue to run things as they've always run them.

Starmer, the leader of the Labour party, the supposed mouth piece of the working class, while being critical of the report should make that plain, the fact that he doesn't tells you everything you need to know about the kind of politician he is and the present state of the Labour party.

Here's Starmer talking about a race equality act......




I've no idea what it will contain, but you're not an idiot, you know it will be based on some form of quota system at board level, in government and so on. This is safe territory for Starmer, the basic structural inequalities in society will be addressed by having more ethnic minorities represented in positions of authority! Sounds great! That's really worked out well at the Home Office.

Structural inequality is baked in to our system and ethnic minorities suffer disproportionately from this, addressing ethnic minority concerns in isolation, while leaving the system intact merely shuffles the cards. The circumstances of ones birth will still be the single biggest factor in life chances, regardless of the colour of your skin, and that won't be changed by any race equality act cooked up by the likes of Starmer.
 
The perfect fumble said:
The report says social class has a bigger impact than race on how people’s lives turn out.
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Of course it does, dirt poor white kids from sink estates in Hartlepool and Dundee have the same chance at life as brown/black kids from deprived poor parts of Bradford or London.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Number 10 denying his resignation is due to this report at the very same time that Lord Woolly is on the BBC news saying that Kasumu resigned because of this report.
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If thats the case then he just timed it to be the most damaging to Johnson - neither way projects a good look does it?
 
bluethrunthru said:
ub-be-fuckin-lieveable

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Just heard an interview clip of her she - "can't understand why people who return a positive Covid 19 test don't isolate"
When you are not on minimum wage or using food banks or struggling to pay your rent and have never had that experience you can be hard of understanding I suppose
 
Didn't the report say that deliberate institutional racism doesn't exist, not that institutional racism doesn't exist? And then basically said that there are also other factors that play into how well someone does in life?

That's hardly news. These things aren't caused by rich people getting together and saying "let's fuck over these poor people/black people/women/etc" but they are caused by those with status, power and money doing whatever they can to protect their status, power and money, lobbying for laws that let them keep more of it, engaging in practices that make their companies more profitable, etc. They're motivated by their own wealth, but that often results in the lives of those who don't have wealth becoming more difficult, more insecure, and ultimately less likely to improve. And that's true regardless of the reason why you're not a member of the establishment. But it's also the reason why they can accurately say that it's not deliberate. Personal greed and negligence rather than racism, classism or misogyny. And that's something we can be very proud of.
 
eyalluvitt said:
Of course it does, dirt poor white kids from sink estates in Hartlepool and Dundee have the same chance at life as brown/black kids from deprived poor parts of Bradford or London.
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That's true. That's what the report said.

Which big gun politician is leading with that? What policy recommendations did they make?

I'm not getting at you, we both know there's no policy recommendations, no leading politician is talking about that.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
And it does.
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Depends on your outlook and family experiences. If you are HK Chinese forced to flee or a Ugandan Asian who's family was booted out by Idi Amin your family background could have gone from well off to very poor on arrival here and as a result instead of enjoying the fruits of 100 years or more amassed wealth in your homeland you rock up here doing low paid work - most of the people behind this report and who welcomed it come from a background of accrued family wealth. If they fell on hard times they could rely on their peers and friends to get them back on their feet - a stranger in another country who looks and speaks differently to the people already there doesn't get that leg up.
 
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