A thread about protesters

Vic said:
Either your definition of lying is different from what's in my dictionary or that's a Clarkie.

Don't the police warn about letting "officials" into your home without proper identification?
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Ffs Vic, give it up. You've just had it explained to you by a copper, albeit a sneaky one that doesn't wear a uniform.
 
I think we should seperate the issues of whether it was lawful to raid these students' houses - which it evidently was, since the police had warrants - from whether it was necessary or proportionate to do so in the manner they did. It's very hard to see how it was the latter. It reads to me more like an attempt to intimidate these young women and to punish them for having participated in these protests.
 
KPXBLN said:
I think we should seperate the issues of whether it was lawful to raid these students' houses - which it evidently was, since the police had warrants - from whether it was necessary or proportionate to do so in the manner they did. It's very hard to see how it was the latter. It reads to me more like an attempt to intimidate these young women and to punish them for having participated in these protests.
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Tbh I think it sounds like they were after their boyfriends who had cannily 'done one'
 
Vic said:
What? You mean the police have powers like this to clamp down on protests? Rather makes the point that new powers are not needed.
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No mate. It is a power of entry to a house to search for evidence, or people, after a crime has taken place. Im sure you will agree that now you know that, it is entirely ineffective against protests. A silly post actually, and a bit unnecessarily condescending I thought.
 
bert38 said:
Red denotes a PSU commander, the rank of Inspector who is responsible for 3 Sergeants (white) each in turn in charge of a serial of 6 pcs plus a driver. I was a PSU commander for a number of years; it’s not an enjoyable role, seem to recall I was ‘volunteered’ to do it-you wear loads of protective gear under the boiler suit, you can’t hear a thing on the police radio, your ears get squashed under the helmet and your visor constantly steams up. Made worse as an inspector by not getting overtime so I was frequently working rest days at short notice for only time back.
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Just a query on 'Line of Duty' they often refer a female uniformed Serjeant as 'PS Whatever' both verbally and in writing. I've never seen this before. They also have DSu which is new to me.
What's correct?
Coming out of WBA a couple of years ago l got chatting to a uniformed Serjeant and asked if the white tag denoted he was a Special. He was initially a bit put out initially but told me about the various colours, Gold Commander etc.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
No mate. It is a power of entry to a house to search for evidence, or people, after a crime has taken place. Im sure you will agree that now you know that, it is entirely ineffective against protests. A silly post actually, and a bit unnecessarily condescending I thought.
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Misuse of powers is a longstanding issue, whether it's the embedded secret policemen who decided that "embedded" meant getting into bed with their "targets".... or the bloke in the 80s who was part of Nukewatch, chasing nuclear weapons convoys on the motorways, who drove a bright orange Cortina with a CB aerial and waved at the convoy drivers. The RAF Regiment who accompanied the convoy (looking like ordinary motorcycle cops) told the local police to arrest him and detain him under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, and they treated him like a potential terrorist. He was released when local CND people rang the police station, asked to speak to Sgt Lorimer, and when they were told they didn't have a Sgt Lorimer, said "Yes you do, he's Special Branch".

(Only matched by Michael Moore's film where he was filming somewhere when he was approached by some people who said they were secret police. Not that secret, then...)

The point is that the police's lying about police being injured, and fishing raids, and dressing up as public servants, all go to reinforce the reason for the protests. It's an attack on peaceful protest.
 
Vic said:
Misuse of powers is a longstanding issue, whether it's the embedded secret policemen who decided that "embedded" meant getting into bed with their "targets".... or the bloke in the 80s who was part of Nukewatch, chasing nuclear weapons convoys on the motorways, who drove a bright orange Cortina with a CB aerial and waved at the convoy drivers. The RAF Regiment who accompanied the convoy (looking like ordinary motorcycle cops) told the local police to arrest him and detain him under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, and they treated him like a potential terrorist. He was released when local CND people rang the police station, asked to speak to Sgt Lorimer, and when they were told they didn't have a Sgt Lorimer, said "Yes you do, he's Special Branch".

(Only matched by Michael Moore's film where he was filming somewhere when he was approached by some people who said they were secret police. Not that secret, then...)

The point is that the police's lying about police being injured, and fishing raids, and dressing up as public servants, all go to reinforce the reason for the protests. It's an attack on peaceful protest.
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Cool
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
No mate. It is a power of entry to a house to search for evidence, or people, after a crime has taken place. Im sure you will agree that now you know that, it is entirely ineffective against protests. A silly post actually, and a bit unnecessarily condescending I thought.
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I agree the post wasn't phrased very well but the point he's making is that a lot of the things that sometimes occur in the course of protests that people complain about are already crimes. If there's criminal damage or violent disorder or assault on a pc or whatever it might be, those are already crimes and people can be arrested and charged for them. You don't need new laws against annoyance, unless your intention is to make all protest essentially impossible, which appears to be what the government wants.
 
Mike Cledford said:
Just a query on 'Line of Duty' they often refer a female uniformed Serjeant as 'PS Whatever' both verbally and in writing. I've never seen this before. They also have DSu which is new to me.
What's correct?
Coming out of WBA a couple of years ago l got chatting to a uniformed Serjeant and asked if the white tag denoted he was a Special. He was initially a bit put out initially but told me about the various colours, Gold Commander etc.
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Detective superintendent.
 
People gathering at Windsor Castle and other Royal places to lay wreaths and ....well..... holding a vigil you could say.

I hope the Police wade in to disperse the crowds and arrest a few of those breaking covid procedures as is their duty.
 
bluethrunthru said:
People gathering at Windsor Castle and other Royal places to lay wreaths and ....well..... holding a vigil you could say.

I hope the Police wade in to disperse the crowds and arrest a few of those breaking covid procedures as is their duty.
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Need to get those batons out sharpish. No wishy-washy policing, please.
 
FsA comment on the This new policing bill.

The Bill has such low thresholds – ‘serious annoyance, disruption, unease (unease!) alarm’ – that they could very easily interfere with the rights that currently exist that allow fans to walk in large groups from a pub or city centre to a stadium.

The police could say that they believe members of the public are or would be uneasy or alarmed by traditional fan behaviour and then feasibly curtail it and make it a criminal offence.


So imagine a train over to say burnley and four fans sat together harmlessly start up a song, under this bill you could be arrested.


Honestly any football fan who thinks this bill is a good thing, well it's unimaginable.
 
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