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[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

What about our yellow away kit in the 90’s?

Based on Liverpool's from the early '80s.

 

[Blue Mist]

Anyone that thinks the American Soccer League or ESL as some call it is going away is deluded. My prediction is that they will come back in summer and say they are breaking away from their leagues, they will play all matches at the weekend and the billions promised now will be from Amazon showing matches.
I just hope we don't get into bed (again) with them.

 

[Newman Noggs]

And the first bargaining chip is placed

 

[Ric]

Good. It was a scandalous inclusion in the first place.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Makes you wonder what would have happened if they had chosen another club instead of City? Would the ESL still be a thing? Assuming that Chelsea pulled out because City did.

How could they choose another club but City, that's the reality?

They didn't want us part of their clique because they respected us, they needed us because we facilitated their objectives, added glamour and didn't leave them crucially exposed.

If they had announced United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Everton, the fallout would be two-fold.

Zero credibility, having not included the most successful team in England over the past decade, an annual Champions League participant?

Coupled with finally laying it out in black and white that they hated us and it was also an opportunity to exclude us from their closed shop.

 

[Norbert D]

whether by design or fluke, City have come out of this pretty well. It’s obvious from the gushing UEFA statement welcoming us back that we were the key movers, we were the ones who admitted our mistake and walked away. It also shows just how big a fish we now are, we walk away and the whole edifice crumbled. For the red shirts any excuses that they needed the ESL to compete with nasty City was blown away by first of all inviting us to join them but more importantly the fact they wanted to make themselves permanent members who could never be deposed, thus shafting every other club.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

and now Uefa falling into place

 

[schfc6]

Can anyone point me in the direction of when the news broke that the other PL clubs specifically name United, Arsenal & Liverpool for being the main instigators..

 

[decmancity]

Anyone that thinks the American Soccer League or ESL as some call it is going away is deluded. My prediction is that they will come back in summer and say they are breaking away from their leagues, they will play all matches at the weekend and the billions promised now will be from Amazon showing matches.
I just hope we don't get into bed (again) with them.

Not a chance, the players have made it very clear they will not involved in any form of this plan. Removing teams from the domestic leagues is 10x harder than just leaving UEFA.

 

[give it to gordon]

Bloody hell even my local tory mp is getting involved lol

European Soccer `Super League`
English football fans have prevailed the self-styled “Big Six” Clubs have withdrawn their support and the `European Football (super) League has crumbled. At least for the time being. Now we have to make sure that it does not rear its ugly head again.
Let us be clear: the proposal to create this European league was not, as the embryonic League`s Chairman, Real Madrid President Florentino Perez, sought to claim, “to save football”. It was about big, foreign, money. It might have been good, in the short financial term, for the handful of participants but it would have been bad for the British and the European game and it would have been particularly bad for the smaller clubs who have always looked forward to emerging as the `giant killers` that have injected so much excitement into the game.
It is not as though the `Big Six` English clubs are even at the top of the charts but by building a protective financial wall around themselves they sought to insulate against a loss of form and potential relegation .That might fit neatly into the game plans of Russian oligarchs and American business investors seeking to guard their assets but could there be anything much more boring than seeing the same cluster of `elite` clubs fielding their over-priced muscle to play each other every week? A Saturday afternoon watching paint dry might be rather more exciting.
It is now clear that the Managers and the players of the clubs lined up to join the `European Football League` were kept in the dark about the secretive discussions taking place as were, so far as we can ascertain, UEFA, FIFA and our own domestic governing bodies. And as were, of course, the people who matter most – the loyal fans who on good days and bad days, come rain or shine and whether on the way up or on the way down, have stood by their clubs at every level and are the bedrock of what the football community and family is supposed to be about. They were taken for granted as Senor Perez and his buddies tried to take them for a ride.
For the great and the good of The FA and UEFA and FIFA, not all of whom have in the past always been squeaky clean, the creation of an `EFL came as a monumental shock because of the potential for the loss of their own power to control the game. And Money. While much sabre-rattling took place not only in Whitehall but in the corridors of footy-power and we were told that “We will talk to them” and “if they do not listen then we will take sanctions against them” the nature of those sanctions was desperately vague. These are private businesses and if they want to play with each other and if the star players believe that their bread is buttered on that side and are willing to literally play the game then how are you going to stop them?
Looking to the future we are up against big bucks and a little lateral thinking is required.
Football matches require grounds and those grounds and the fans visiting them again, when Covid permits, have to be serviced. There is crowd control and traffic control and policing and fire and health and safety requirements that have to be met. And if, suddenly, not only those attending the matches but all of us were to decline to patronise the burger chain or the drinks supplier or anyone else that gives these Behemoths succour then that might begin to send a clear message that while we welcome innovation and investment in sport and that while we are not opposed to reasonable profit we do not like naked greed and that the fans that support all football clubs have to be treated with respect. If they are taken for granted we could go a step further and boycott all of the brands that are advertised around the grounds or on the teams` strip and if we did not buy all of that expensive sportswear merchandise either then we would begin to hit the EFL club owners in the only place where it really hurts them – in the wallet. The threat may have gone away for the moment but it could return and we have to be prepared – and the club`s owners have to know that we are prepared - to all play our part in any future battle for the soul of football.
In the meantime, there are all of the many fan-orientated and honourable teams to get behind and there is also Parliament`s secret weapon, Dame (as she must surely become) Tracey Crouch. She has rightly been asked to continue her inquiry into the future of the game in Britain and if I were the owner of a “Big Six” football club I would not put too much of my carefully squirreled away fortune on the chances of coming out of a skirmish with our Tracey unscathed. We shall all await her findings with very great interest indeed!
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[kaz7]

Still fucking BOOOOOOOOO

Lol

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Have you heard anything about whether the club plan to issue any further info to supporters, akin to a KAM interview for example?

I think we deserve that at the least, but probably be up to Pep again tonight to speak?

Whatever Khaldoon says, I doubt we will ever know the full extent. Perhaps he will gladly take a Mea Culpa, to fight another day.

 

[goalmole]

Great post and the issues you raise are correct, but you need to put it into perspective regarding City as a club and institution. A small group of men you could fit in a family car caused this. Your club has been a pivitoll part of millions of people's lives for over 100 years. Through good times and bad and plenty of utter shit times in which the support stood their ground and kept the light on, no matter how bad people at the top ran the club. You have to remember one critical thing. You lot are Man City. Not any owner, any CEO, any suit who fucks things up and brings you into disrepute. For all their perceived and real power, you stood up when they tried to undermine what you stand for and you defeated them, for the simple reason that you are the club, and will still be long after they have moved on. I would be pissed off too, but, I would focus that anger on that small group of men, whose greed and total failure to grasp what our clubs mean to every supporter the world over.

It isn't the time to sweep it aside though. You deserve answers and those responsible need to pay a price. They are now aware that they might have all the money, but all their money couldn't stop the actual club, the support, from blowing them to fuck right out of the water. Be proud of that. Be proud your support had that integrity. Had the love of the game to say, go fuck yourselves, we will not have this. If anything, you should be more proud of City. You have loads of money and could have made more, but it went against being fair, being right. This to me would be a source of pride that you stood up and sent them scurrying. They aren't Man City, they have answers to give, responsibility to accept, those five or six men. They have let you down, but City was saved by the people who are City and who have been City since the first game played by men with big moustaches in shorts that could be turned into tents. Never forget that and take pride in that. You have sent a shot across the bows of men who think they can take an institution that you love and undermine whst it means. Their awful plan didn't set sail. It was intercepted before it left the harbour by City men and women and literally blown to fuck out of the water. So if you agree with me that we as the support are the club, are every club, then you can be proud of it. You haven't only helped City but you have given hope to us all that we can all reign in greedy, selfish, non football men and if they want to go ahead by going against all we hold dear, we can and will take them down. I'm proud of you, if anything you have shown how much integrity you have and a group of men have found out just how much and how strong that is. This was a battle that had to be fought for football supporters everywhere. You not only stood up and moved to the fight, you won. If you hadn't, the game we love would have died. Don't get me wrong, I would expect no less, but I tip my cap to you all. That's what you should take from this. You stood firm and helped save the game. That seems dramatic, but it isn't, it's true. If these billionaires and their CEO's got away with it and you did nothing, then City would be fucked. These men have an integrity problem, the people who have been City, who are City now and who will be in the future won.

I agree with everything you say in that post
Your post has really gone a long way to giving this situation some perspective and putting my head straight.
Thanks for taking the time and trouble to write it.

 

[M12Blue]

There is no legitimate reason that would excuse the club from betraying the fans, the fact so many are concocting fairytales as a way of trying to offer City an excuse shows there isn't one.

I understand the deep rooted desire to defend the club, to want to believe they care about us, of course I do, I want that too but the decision to sign up to that showed they are no different from the rest, they couldn't give a shit and anybody dreaming up elaborate spy novel stories of masterplans to bring down rival teams needs to just step back for a second think about what they're actually saying and realise how utterly ridiculous it really is.

City sold us out just like the others. In a way City and Chelsea owners fucked the fans over the most because there wasn't even a desperation to do so like there was for other clubs

Perhaps when City were doing a bit of review on this, Khaldoon says what about the fans? Soriano says they hate UEFA, always boo the anthem, don’t always fill the ground for group matches due to some games being shit, they’ll be pleased to move to a new league.

Obviously misjudged the situation, but to be demanding the club issue a public apology, so we can forgive, is scouse behaviour. Playing victims is not city fans or wasn’t. I have no doubts club learnt a valuable lesson, and I’m sure Khaldoon will allude to that in his end of season monologue, before announcing we still have money to spend. If anyone thinks we’ll get anything more, then I think you will be disappointed.

They pulled out, thank Christ, we move on. Win what we can and buy who we can afford next year and go again.

 

[ninjamonkey]

That last paragraph is some bizarre mental gymnastics, how the fuck have we been fucked over more? Very few fans from any of the six involved have been calling for a super league. Let’s see what’s said and implied from the club and then as a fan base take stock. As it’s stands for me I am just relieved no good can come from boiling your own piss over this.

Maybe I should have worded it differently, the betrayal comes as more of a shock and therefore hurts more to the fans of both us and chelsea.

24 hours ago all the talk was how it made no sense for City and Chelsea to be in on this. Every other club had a reason. Not an excuse, but an understandable reason to join. American greed and desire to franchise the game, a desire to remain relevant or a desperation for money to service crimping debt, city and Chelsea had none of these reason. they were the anomalies, there was comparatively very little benefit for those two clubs joining.

Us fans are inventing fairytales to try and explain it because it makes such little sense yet City and Chelsea still joined up, still decided to screw over the fanbase and that's why I suggested it can be argued we were screwed over more than the rest.

 

[manchester blue]

Why did Man Utd and Liverpool invite us into their super league?

One way that they could have garnered support from their own fanbase and maybe even other clubs too is by saying OK UEFA you had your chance. You failed to legislate against the Manchester City's and PSGs so if you don't do it, we will. We are setting up our own league which will be based on sustainability. These are its founding clubs, and they do not include PSG and Manchester City.

I don't know what City did and why. It would not surprise me at all if there has been some level of cooperation between UEFA and Manchester City in seeing off a common enemy. If you look at the outcome, Manchester Utd, and Liverpool's hold on the game, and even their own clubs has been weakened considerably. UEFA are now free for a while from the threat of the cartel. It may have been an accident. It may have been a design. For me City going in at the very last moment, and then being the first to exit suggests subterfuge. We may have emboldened them to expose them only to shoot them down.

Are corporate plots like these real, or just in our imagination? One thing is sure. We are dealing here with some serious individuals and the alternative is that City behaved like bungling idiots.

To make up the numbers after Bayern and PSG fucked them off?

 

[mat]

Why did Man Utd and Liverpool invite us into their super league?

One way that they could have garnered support from their own fanbase and maybe even other clubs too is by saying OK UEFA you had your chance. You failed to legislate against the Manchester City's and PSGs so if you don't do it, we will. We are setting up our own league which will be based on sustainability. These are its founding clubs, and they do not include PSG and Manchester City.

I don't know what City did and why. It would not surprise me at all if there has been some level of cooperation between UEFA and Manchester City in seeing off a common enemy. If you look at the outcome, Manchester Utd, and Liverpool's hold on the game, and even their own clubs has been weakened considerably. UEFA are now free for a while from the threat of the cartel. It may have been an accident. It may have been a design. For me City going in at the very last moment, and then being the first to exit suggests subterfuge. We may have emboldened them to expose them only to shoot them down.

Are corporate plots like these real, or just in our imagination? One thing is sure. We are dealing here with some serious individuals and the alternative is that City behaved like bungling idiots.

To control us.

 

[rabby]

Yep, he had to make his pathetic apology before a puff of wind blew him over.

Puffs of wind blowing people over regularly happens on the pitch at klanfield.

 

[mayo31]

I saw De Bruyne's tweet last night and at first glance it was ok

Then I thought I wonder if he knew anything when he signed his new contract the other week, I believe he would not have.

Then I ask do these players ever question where the money comes from for the massive wages they are paid.

The wages they receive are part of the problem football finds itself in. City have to pay these wages it seems at this moment in time to keep the best players

Although the competition part of this 'project' and the continued presence of the founders was shit the money mentioned cannot be ignored in terms of what clubs perhaps need.

Will the players now change how they negotiate, of course not.

Only one group going to carry on paying for this in the main, the fans

 

[lightning Rodri]

English media seems to be sticking to all PL clubs pulled out. At least in Germany, couple of reports saying PL clubs pull out AFTER city decided to withdraw.